[SBR_John]

Im getting a question a day via PM about local credit bookies. Im not an expert in this area but let me toss out a few tid bits.

I highly recommend against players using local credit bookies. Playing on credit is dangerous.

There is the pain-in-the-ass factor too. You call in Sat and get the run down of the lines and its read so fast you only get the first 5 lines and then give up. There are the busy signals. Then there are the mind games like after you make your Sunday bets your bookie says "tuesday, same place?". You say well what if I win? He says "you wont, Tuesday same place" and hangs up. Then there you are Tuesday at the graveyard with $2600 in cash as he pulls up in the Lexus you bought him. He gives you that 'loser' smile and counts the cash in front of you.

Just dont do it. Playing on credit is dangerous.

[Starbuckibm]

Great advice....if you don't have the cash to play or lose, then don't play at all.

[compaqDikk]

bring muscle when you collect over 5 dimes. was left for dead one night after hitting a 7 teamer. coincidence?

[vsdspread]

Just because you have credit outs, doesn't mean you don't have cash?

I have 2 credit shops, with 4 off-shore outs. I use good money mangement with a 40k bankroll, betting between 1-3% per game. OK, mabye I bet 5% if I really, really like a game, but that is only a couple of times per year.

My credit outs are two of the largest shops out there, so there are some good ones.

[SBR_John]

Just because you have credit outs, doesn't mean you don't have cash?

I have 2 credit shops, with 4 off-shore outs. I use good money mangement with a 40k bankroll, betting between 1-3% per game. OK, mabye I bet 5% if I really, really like a game, but that is only a couple of times per year.

My credit outs are two of the largest shops out there, so there are some good ones.

There are exceptions. But Ive seen guys even forum guys go years of doing fine only to end up desperate. Guys Like Pat McIrish. That guy was sharp. Next thing you know he's off the deep end.

The new law has pushed a lot of guys towards bookies they have no idea who they are or what they are getting into.

[bigboydan]

Theres no doubt that playing on credit could get you in over your head and all, but there are advantages playing with locals too though. For example you don't have to wait sometimes weeks to get paid, or even jump through the hoops trying to fund your account. Not to mention the big advantage of playing style lines (which is a huge advantage to the player)


As far as the "Saturday thing" goes though. Usually players will just pick the game #'s there interested in John. Of course there are some players out there I'm sure that will demand the entire run down though (happens at offshore books too though). Most locals field calls at a pretty fast pace nowadays too, so it's not as bad as it once was.

[LLXC]

I'd only play with a bookie I'd trust...and those are very hard to come by these days.

[pokernut9999]

In 30 years of using local books I only had one asshole and I let him know it. There are pros and cons to both depending on the player.

[SBR_John]

Dan my guy would say just give me the games you want lines on. I said all of them. So he would start a million miles an hour reading them without even calling out the teams. I'd say whoa Nelly, read me the fav cause Im writing them in the newspaper and they aint got ROT numbers. Little weasel.

I found these guys could take me out of my focus zone. Players need to not let them do that. Also, insist they give you a hard cap like $1000 per week.

[remmy358]

Im getting a question a day via PM about local credit bookies. Im not an expert in this area but let me toss out a few tid bits.

I highly recommend against players using local credit bookies. Playing on credit is dangerous.

There is the pain-in-the-ass factor too. You call in Sat and get the run down of the lines and its read so fast you only get the first 5 lines and then give up. There are the busy signals. Then there are the mind games like after you make your Sunday bets your bookie says "tuesday, same place?". You say well what if I win? He says "you wont, Tuesday same place" and hangs up. Then there you are Tuesday at the graveyard with $2600 in cash as he pulls up in the Lexus you bought him. He gives you that 'loser' smile and counts the cash in front of you.

Just dont do it. Playing on credit is dangerous.

John, while 99% of your posts are right on target, I think you are totally wrong here. 100% wrong. And I will tell you why:

1) is no difference if a bookie takes your $ or if a book does. A bookie drives a lexus, and a sportsbook owner lives in a mansion.

2) You don't get busy lines with most bookies for a few reasons - 1) there is call waiting, 2) most bookies have multiple people working for them if they have a high volume, and 3) They will call you back for your action!

3) Most local bookies are your friend. They know you will lose in the long term and they have no problem paying you when you win.

More importantly, here are the reasons why I think playing with a local is better:

1) You have a better sense of the value of money. It is easy to blow 5k in your online gambling account because it feels like play money. When you know you have to pay a bookie, $100 feels like a lot more than it does online.

2) Most bookies won't let you get in too deep. If you're down a lot, they will demand payment. A bookie that let's you get 25k in debt is a dumb bookie and is rare.

3) Gambling online is too much fun. There are too many options, and it is too easy to do. It's easy to blow money on stupid high juice prop bets.

4) There is no online casino with a local bookie. A lot of guys blow money in the rigged casino's. I guess if you're discliplined enough to stay away this isn't a concern, but who can honestly say that they've won money in an online casino?

5) Payout problems. Local's pay. If you do happen to get stiffed, it won't be more than a weeks winnings. Guy's have lost a ton getting stiffed at online books holding large balances. There are also no payout fees.

6) Online gambling has been proven to be far more addicting than non-online gambling.

[bigboydan]

Dan my guy would say just give me the games you want lines on. I said all of them. So he would start a million miles an hour reading them without even calling out the teams. I'd say whoa Nelly, read me the fav cause Im writing them in the newspaper and they aint got ROT numbers. Little weasel.

Let me guess John. You were one of those guys who called 10 minutes before game time to get all the lines.

[raiders72002]

Too easy to get over your head on credit. It can also be dangerous. Stick to post up.

Guys like BBD are an exception to the rule because he's been around and knows the rules. He will get paid and knows the consequences of getting in over his head.

[JT16]

Here is my question/situation


I have locals and I also use the regular post up books that are recommended here. I have an opportunity to bet on a credit only site through and agent. The agent is really good friends of a family member. I never really had this opportunity before so I never really researched it. I enjoy using my local because of the bullshit that you have to go through to deposit and withdraw online.

This agent has a website that I use to put in all my plays, no calling, no busy signals all the benfits of betting online but without the hassle of using ** or faxing CC info. I just don't know if this site or agent is trust worthy. I was told that the agent is responible for the payouts. I don't understand how the agent is responible for all the action that is taken on this site.

So if someone hits for $3000.00 does he have to get the money from the offshore book before paying the winner? Or does he handle all the cash and just send a percentage to the book for using the website? Should I not bother trying to research the site and just really question the agent? Or is there someway I can find information about who is running this site. I know there is a 1866 number with operators taking action so I know it is bigger then just this agent and have found posts on other message boards about this site. (nothing good or bad just normal gambling talk)

I just don't want to win and then get some sob story from this so called agent that they never sent the money. Should I just make it very clear to him that he is responible for paying me and that I don't care about the site. Kinda like a
F you pay me type thing.

Thanks
JT

[remmy358]

Too easy to get over your head on credit. It can also be dangerous. Stick to post up.

Guys like BBD are an exception to the rule because he's been around and knows the rules. He will get paid and knows the consequences of getting in over his head.

it's also easy to get in over your head by writing bad checks and doing other dumb things to be able to post up.

if the player wants to get in trouble they will -- regardless if it's credit or post up and regardless if it's with a bookie or a bank or the law.

[raiders72002]

The agent is responsible for paying you and you paying him. It doesn't matter what the situation is of the site or offshore book.

[raiders72002]

Should I not bother trying to research the site and just really question the agent?

The agent is all that counts.

[jjgold]

I am too lazy tonight to write it out, give me 15 minutes and I will explain it all.

Good Thread

[jjgold]

comparing a local vs a credit facility

[raiders72002]

Great video Coach

It explains all you want to know about the credit side. The only thing is you didn't tell them how some of these low life's squat just before they hit the settle and try to drag this out as long as they can.

[bigboydan]

Great video Coach

It explains all you want to know about the credit side. The only thing is you didn't tell them how some of these low life's squat just before they hit the settle and try to drag this out as long as they can.

Those guys are a locals nightmare, because they will try and duck ya for a few weeks. Then they will tell them some B.S. like "I never hit my pay point yet so I don't have to pay yet". Those are the type of people locals hate to deal with even if they are ultimately squares for the most part.

[WileOut]

John, while 99% of your posts are right on target, I think you are totally wrong here. 100% wrong. And I will tell you why:

1) is no difference if a bookie takes your $ or if a book does. A bookie drives a lexus, and a sportsbook owner lives in a mansion.

2) You don't get busy lines with most bookies for a few reasons - 1) there is call waiting, 2) most bookies have multiple people working for them if they have a high volume, and 3) They will call you back for your action!

3) Most local bookies are your friend. They know you will lose in the long term and they have no problem paying you when you win.

More importantly, here are the reasons why I think playing with a local is better:

1) You have a better sense of the value of money. It is easy to blow 5k in your online gambling account because it feels like play money. When you know you have to pay a bookie, $100 feels like a lot more than it does online.

2) Most bookies won't let you get in too deep. If you're down a lot, they will demand payment. A bookie that let's you get 25k in debt is a dumb bookie and is rare.

3) Gambling online is too much fun. There are too many options, and it is too easy to do. It's easy to blow money on stupid high juice prop bets.

4) There is no online casino with a local bookie. A lot of guys blow money in the rigged casino's. I guess if you're discliplined enough to stay away this isn't a concern, but who can honestly say that they've won money in an online casino?

5) Payout problems. Local's pay. If you do happen to get stiffed, it won't be more than a weeks winnings. Guy's have lost a ton getting stiffed at online books holding large balances. There are also no payout fees.

6) Online gambling has been proven to be far more addicting than non-online gambling.

I cant stand to play with local bookies. The ones I dealt with are idiots, I hate meeting these guys in person when I lost or won. If you win big you simply dont get paid. Nothing you can do about it. There is no watchdog for my local. They will pay you the $500 but if you hit 10k or so forget about it. Online if you lose you simply lose, you dont have to leave the house. Same thing if you win. If you play with the good shops you are guaranteed your money. CONVENIENCE.

The only pro to a local bookie is the cash factor. Its all cash, no trace of it. Other than that its a headache from top to bottom.

[pico]

great video jj. you'rea legend. i learned a lot

[remmy358]

nice video coach. but i'm not sure what locals you guys play with...the guys i used to play with were professional and easy to get a hold of.

[SBR_John]

Good one JJ.

Remmy I dont at all agree with you that its easier to blow money in a post up account than with a credit account. I believe the opposite to be more of a fact than even an arguement.

[raiders72002]

Remmy I dont at all agree with you that its easier to blow money in a post up account than with a credit account. I believe the opposite to be more of a fact than even an arguement.
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definitely-, much easier to bet money you don't have.

[remmy358]

definitely-, much easier to bet money you don't have.

you don't consider betting your rent or on ************ "money you don't have"?

you're wrong here. it's been proven in many studies that people who bet online get addicted more easy and get into more trouble. this whole online gambling thing has made it much more easier to blow money and get into debt / trouble.