[raiders72002]

Almost all you guys are losing playing at good books. Just play with the crap books and take your chances of getting paid.

[bigboydan]

Are you nuts Raiders.

[raiders72002]

Are you nuts Raiders.

you just figured that out.

[bigboydan]

Nope not at all. More like just confirmed it.

[SBR_John]

Like Betmania?

What happens is players jump around getting bonuses or maybe looking to change their luck and suddenly hit their one and only lucky streak of a lifetime. Its then when they find out they are a "wiseguy" and will not be paid.

[raiders72002]

Nope not at all. More like just confirmed it.

I knew that I wasn't fooling you. You've been around too long.

[SBR Lou]

I think you're speaking the truth here Raiders. When is your web site coming out?

[raiders72002]

Like Betmania?

What happens is players jump around getting bonuses or maybe looking to change their luck and suddenly hit their one and only lucky strak of a lifetime. Its then when they find out they are a "wiseguy" and will not be paid.

I did find it strange that other sites are accepting them as advertisers.

As far as wise guy action, even some A and B rated books have this clause.

[raiders72002]

When is your web site coming out?

sold mine when the US changed their laws.

[bigboydan]

Like Betmania?

What happens is players jump around getting bonuses or maybe looking to change their luck and suddenly hit their one and only lucky streak of a lifetime. Its then when they find out they are a "wiseguy" and will not be paid.

I'd like to expand on this particular subject in regards to BetMania John.

They will confiscate your money if you just try to middle one of your original bets at that book. Now thats just flat out robbery, and I can't and won't recommend players to play there under any circumstances unless that rule changes!

[SBR_John]

I'd like to expand on this particular subject in regards to BetMania John.

They will confiscate your money if you just try to middle one of your original bets at that book. Now thats just flat out robbery, and I can't and won't recommend players to play there under any circumstances unless that rule changes!

They absolutely admit to stealing players money if they think they are sharp. No one will come in here and deny that.

But they pay a few web sites so they must be good.

[jjgold]

I might have the best track record in the world at playing at top books, my knowledge is just way more advanced than most here.

[bigboydan]

But they pay a few web sites so they must be good.

There profits are our headaches.

[tblues2005]

Raiders you are nuts to even say that, who would want to mess with crap books anyways. Then you are really rolling the dice when you mess with them, if you somehow win then they will stiff you, NO THANKS!

[tacomax]

I did find it strange that other sites are accepting them as advertisers.

Some sites will do anything to make some money, even if it means having crappy sponsors. Just like the shittiest touts will tout the shittiest books - such as PlayTheScore, RichCoastSports and BetOnSports.

[bigboydan]

PlayTheScore is a prime example of why you should only play at top rated books. I spent months trying to help Baus with a bailout on that one.

[pags11]

I enjoy raiders sense of humor, unlike some other stiff curly haired foreign posters around here...

[BAUS]

PlayTheScore is a prime example of why you should only play at top rated books. I spent months trying to help Baus with a bailout on that one.

For the record, PTS was heavily touted by Raiders.

BAUS

[raiders72002]

For the record for the 1000th time everyone got paid except your dumbass because you signed an exclusive with TOW.

If you had gone to me you would have been paid as everyone else had, instead we have to listen to you whine once a month. It's your own damn fault.

[BAUS]

I will respond to this tomorrow when I have more energy Raiders. Not that it is particularly exciting, but I will reveal the entire PTS story.

BAUS

[tacomax]

Baus - raiders does (for once in his life) have a point. If you play with a book which is pumped by one of the premier scammers on the internet such as raiders, your money will never be safe.

I'd love to hear your story, though.

[raiders72002]

but I will reveal the entire PTS story.

I'm on the edge of me seat. I can't wait to hear it for the 7th time again.

How come NO ONE but YOU is complaining about not getting paid?

You have to keep bumping old threads and repeating yourself.

[raiders72002]

Not one person, besides BAUS that signed an exclusive with TOW, has an honest complaint about not being paid from a book that I promoted.

[BAUS]

If you know so much about the situation Raiders, then post it on this forum how much I lost at PTS.

Go ahead and post my exact balance right now.

BAUS

[BAUS]

That remark about Roberto is laughable. He tried to get me a bailout, just like Bigboydan tried. I never signed any exclusive agreement. He was just trying to help me out. Nothing more, nothing less.

BAUS

[raiders72002]

I don't care what your balance was. I do know that I got people paid with much higher balances that you had.

Why didn't you come to me when I posted over and over again that anyone having a problem with PTS should contact me?

Did you sign a contract with TOW?

[tacomax]

Not one person, besides BAUS that signed an exclusive with TOW, has an honest complaint about not being paid from a book that I promoted.

Thinking back, didn't you shill for BetOnSports like it was going out of fashion? You're saying that all the people who got stiffed there haven't got an honest complaint?

[raiders72002]

Many people signed an exclusive with TOW. I saw the contract.

Since you didn't sign the contract, why didn't you ask me?

[bigboydan]

I'd love to hear your story, though.

I know that whole story Baus is talking about, and as per his request I kept it confidential this entire time. However, If he wishes to share it that is up to him.

[raiders72002]

BoS players were paid out of my own pocket.

[BAUS]

I don't care what your balance was. I do know that I got people paid with much higher balances that you had.

Why didn't you come to me when I posted over and over again that anyone having a problem with PTS should contact me?

Did you sign a contract with TOW?

No chance. I had the largest balance of anyone with a PTS account when they went broke and stiffed.

I didn't sign anything with TOW. An "exclusive" was never even mentioned. Laughable. What the hell did I need an "exclusive" for?? I needed a bailout.

BAUS

[raiders72002]

Dan- Then you realize that I posted over and over again that I would get players paid if they came to me.

BAUS never said a word about it until LONG after the fact. Then one day he mentioned it hear at SBR.

You were then able to get him a bailout at Royal.

[tacomax]

"The money in your BoS account is held in escrow. Everyone will get paid"

BoS money is safe- No need to worry

"BoS withdrawals should go out next week (7-21-06)"

BoS withdrawals should go out next week (7-21-06)

That would be so funny if your actions didn't assist in the great BOS stiff-job.

[raiders72002]

BAUS- How much were you owed? According to Roberto you were around $6k but I have no idea.

Also, Roberto never received a full list of all players that were owed. So how in the hell do you know that you had the biggest balance when Roberto didn't even know.

I know for a fact that Roberto never received the list.

[tacomax]

PlaytheScore, a newly established sports book operating out of Curacao, Netherland Antilles, became officially insolvent (unable to process payouts) on June 22nd 2005. The book had opened for business in February 2005. The book reached a total crew of 3 employees at its peak time in May.

The book was offering a full range of services: per head, credit nd post up. The main partner, a 6 times convicted felon, left Curacao bringing the per head and credit business away, likely to Costa Rica, leaving behind his former manager Omar Ayubi and 25 post up players.

Most of the book's post up clientele had been built by an internet tout known as "Raiders". This gentleman relentlessly touted PTS as "the eight wonder" of the gaming industry.

The tout later admitted that he had been aware of the status of financial distress for at least two weeks prior to PTS becoming officially insolvent on June 22nd. He also admitted his vested interest in the operation and his attempts to be first in line to collect his own earnings from the failed operation.

TOW has been busy organizing "relief" for players affected by this scam operation. Despite the ongoing boycott attempts 6 players have accessed a relief program generously offered by Olympic Sports (rating 10+). 2 players (smaller balances) have been paid in full thanks to the generosity of a credit player who made funds he owed to failed PTS available for distribution to stiffed players. TOW is currently in touch with other top notch sports books to arrange relief programs on behalf of remaining players who filed a slow pay complaint with our site.