[joe vegas]

Has anyone deposited money with a Sportsbook and then found that the site is crap (like oddsmaker.com) and called their CC company to cancel the charge?

Any suggestions?

[compaqDikk]

do not do this; i was gone from sbrforums for 4+ days and posters thought i was done for. you can chargeback, but be careful, i was coerced into flying 1 way down the jungles Thursday night when I stuck it to Ido 4 months ago

joey i was left for dead and scared straight, i now play by the rules

[pico]

Has anyone deposited money with a Sportsbook and then found that the site is crap (like oddsmaker.com) and called their CC company to cancel the charge?

Any suggestions?

there is no consequences. they can't do jack.

[spliff]

can you elaborate on the situation that would convince you that not paying your debts is the way to go?

[pjesnik24]

never did that, but if I would feel cheated by them for some reason I might do it

[SBR Lou]

You deposited the money bro, I wouldn't do this.

[Mason]

Joe it's called theft. You can try to rationalize it by saying the website is crap, but don't kid yourself it's just theft.

You're not going to get a lof of Hi-5's for being a deadbeat/stiff/thief on this forum regardless of which side of the counter you're on.

Screwing the sportsbook and messing up their processing for no reason.....Not cool.

[steelerfan]

sounds like an easy way to take a shot at a sportsbook!

[pico]

crappy website is not a valid reason. now if they cheated you on a bet or refuse to cash out...those are legitimate reasons.

[spliff]

sounds like an easy way to take a shot at a sportsbook!

also an easy way to get yourself in trouble

[Dumb_lucK]

Alot of people do not actually realize that when they charge back, it's not just the books' processor that is in jeopardy.. Charging back and making false claims to your CC company is also illegal and greatly affects your credit scores and such. So if you feel you want to jeopardize your line of credit with your ****/********** etc.. that's your choice.. though.. don't be suprized if the book took 3rd party actions and send your info to one of them great collection agencies!

(I'm thinking of a number)

[pico]

Alot of people do not actually realize that when they charge back, it's not just the books' processor that is in jeopardy.. Charging back and making false claims to your CC company is also illegal and greatly affects your credit scores and such. So if you feel you want to jeopardize your line of credit with your ****/********** etc.. that's your choice.. though.. don't be suprized if the book took 3rd party actions and send your info to one of them great collection agencies!

(I'm thinking of a number)

you're just scaring people. CC companies are dime a dozen. if you can't get a card with 50k limit, you can get 10 cards with 5k limit.

[raiders72002]

Don't do it. You'll get red flagged and it'll come back to bite you in the ass.

[Dumb_lucK]

you're just scaring people. CC companies are dime a dozen. if you can't get a card with 50k limit, you can get 10 cards with 5k limit.

They maybe a dime a dozen, however they still all check the same credit history before authorizing you 1k 5k 20k whatever amount.

Charging back is just stupid IMO, again it leaves the doors open to take shots at books, you make a big deposit, lose your picks and chargeback? A new form of gambling? Chargeback, recover your losses and move on to the next book and do the same?

Why not deposit, take 50k from a book, chargeback the last 6 months of deposits and move on, it's a no lose situation?

[pico]

They maybe a dime a dozen, however they still all check the same credit history before authorizing you 1k 5k 20k whatever amount.

Charging back is just stupid IMO, again it leaves the doors open to take shots at books, you make a big deposit, lose your picks and chargeback? A new form of gambling? Chargeback, recover your losses and move on to the next book and do the same?

Why not deposit, take 50k from a book, chargeback the last 6 months of deposits and move on, it's a no lose situation?

sounds like a good strategy. i don't see how can you lose.

[Dumb_lucK]

sounds like a good strategy. i don't see how can you lose.

LOL if that's the way you gotta win.. I'll take my wins and losses as they come in

[joe vegas]

Very interesting. Some more info given on my part may be needed.

I used them as one of my three sportsbooks last season. On thursday, I deposited thousand and went to the website to place some wagers. However, I found out they do not except parlay's such as taking the favorite with the over or the dog with the under. I called and was told this was a new policy. Screw Them! It is not listed anywhere on there website that this wager is not being accepted. I called 6 times and finally got to talk with a manager call Montgomery. He told me he would not refund my money even though i had not placed a wager. By the way- My account with oddsmaker and my account with betonusa (0 balance thanks to MLB) where both frozen.

I am not in to donating money unless i bet on the Gators...

[pico]

LOL if that's the way you gotta win.. I'll take my wins and losses as they come in

i know the consequences, okay. just saying chargeback is your last resort if the sportsbook is truely screwing you over. if they're screwing you over ,the chances are they're screwing other players as well, so the chances are the book will fold and ran away with players money so i doubt they'll try to prosecute you.

i am not adovating doing chargeback on legit books, that is just bad karma, but any book that has truely screwed players over deserved to get screwed with chargebacks.

[Starbuckibm]

Alot of people do not actually realize that when they charge back, it's not just the books' processor that is in jeopardy.. Charging back and making false claims to your CC company is also illegal and greatly affects your credit scores and such. So if you feel you want to jeopardize your line of credit with your ****/********** etc.. that's your choice.. though.. don't be suprized if the book took 3rd party actions and send your info to one of them great collection agencies!

(I'm thinking of a number)

This does not affect your credit in no way shape or form. I know this for a fact and doing a chargeback has no bearing on your credit score at all. Just goes to show you how very little you know and how it really works.

Also if a collection agency were to contact you for some reason regarding a debt with a Sportsbook, then you have grounds to sue them by all means. The collection agency cannot do a thing regarding a debt from a Sportsbook either. I do not recommend doing a chargeback unless it's the very last resort. For example the book trying to screw you and other players over by not paying you. That's the only way I would consider it. Sportsbooks have no course of action when you file a chargeback on them when you deposit via a credit or DC.

[pico]

This does not affect your credit in no way shape or form. I know this for a fact and doing a chargeback has no bearing on your credit score at all. Just goes to show you how very little you know and how it really works.

Also if a collection agency were to contact you for some reason regarding a debt with a Sportsbook, then you have grounds to sue them by all means. The collection agency cannot do a thing regarding a debt from a Sportsbook either. I do not recommend doing a chargeback unless it's the very last resort. For example the book trying to screw you and other players over by not paying you. That's the only way I would consider it. Sportsbooks have no course of action when you file a chargeback on them when you deposit via a credit or DC.

agree 100%

[marc]

Don't do it. You'll get red flagged and it'll come back to bite you in the ass.

Right. If you do a chargeback at one book, you should expect every other book to find out about it. So you might find that other books won't let yo9u deposit by CC, or might be totally uniwlling to take your action. Also, there is only so mnay times a CC company will let you do a chargeback before they drop you as a csutomer. So you do a chargeback once, ok. But the next time you call aksing to do a chargeback, your cc compnay might npot be so helpful.

So if you really feel a need to do a chargeback, make sure it's really worth it.

[Rogthedodger]

marc is exactly right on the above. Books share "lists" that have deadbeat customers on them. If you do a chargeback then you can expect many other books to know that you did and you WILL BE banned from those books, or at the very least stopped from making deposits by CC.

[pico]

marc is exactly right on the above. Books share "lists" that have deadbeat customers on them. If you do a chargeback then you can expect many other books to know that you did and you WILL BE banned from those books, or at the very least stopped from making deposits by CC.

good books don't do interbook transfers with questionable books. you think they'll share the list? maybe all the wise guys share the list...well, if you're banned, then you're better off that way.

[colt29]

Collections from illegal activity? Are you kidding.

[pico]

Collections from illegal activity? Are you kidding.

unless they hire the soprano crew, you have nothing to worry about.

[joe vegas]

Thanks for the suggestions and info.

PS, no bets where placed. The book would not let me make some parlay wagers. So i wanted out.

I cant wait till the Ceasars Group or Bellagio is legal to open a sportsbook on the internet......Then you know you will get paid!

[raiders72002]

you think they'll share the list?

yes

[pokernut9999]

yes

No, I did one with BETonSports when they tried to screw me and never been on any list.

[raiders72002]

No, I did one with BETonSports when they tried to screw me and never been on any list.

How many charge backs have you done in your life? How do you know you weren't red flaggged?

I've seen it happen where some idiot did a charge back. he then went on to play with a sister book.

He deposited by CC with the sister book and ended up winning big. The book then confiscated his winnings.

[pokernut9999]

I just did it with BOS about 3 years ago. Used CC with at least3 poker sites and 4 or 5 books.

[raiders72002]

I just did it with BOS about 3 years ago.

what did they do wrong that necessitated you to do a chargeback?

[pokernut9999]

Would not pay out. Excuse after excuse, got tired of their BS

[raiders72002]

How about some more details. Most of the time charge backs are done because a player loses money and he had no intentions of paying in the first place.

[Mason]

* You'd probably get away with a chargeback.

* As has been mentioned it's hard to argue the second one though and they will ask questons and get after the truth.

* Some collections agency's do work with sportsbooks.

* Generally books don't share chargeback database info because some books would undoubtedly place their best players on the charge back list to ensure no other book would ever take their whales!!

* Lot's of fraud scrubbing mechanisms in place at the books now days so a chargeback is more likely to show up than it was even 2 years ago. You could potentially get black listed that way.

* Lastly, it's just not cool to rip your sportsbook off like that. How many times did they pay you when you requested your money? If the answer is always, then you say 'ok **** it' and you request your balance and leave, but you don't rip them off. Speak to someone and try to work something out with the book first. Unless they obviously are trying to rip you off by not sending your payout, it shouldn't even cross your mind.