[3put]

09/01/2007 04:50:15 Wagered $2150.00 to win $1000.00 on NEW YORK A: J KENNEDY Cancelled Straight Wager
BA 69 9/1X TAMPA BAY: E JACKSON AT NEW YORK A: J KENNEDY


09/01/2007 11:07:51 $2150.00 Refunded Straight Wager


The game started at 11:05:00

[EJandV]

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[3put]

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Take a closer look.
Hint: Kennedy's first name is?

[fearless]

Take a closer look.
Hint: Kennedy's first name is?

Most people are just skim reading on message boards, they don't read for detail unless something REALLY interests them (and your message probably will not)...

People don't have time for riddles, just make your points clear and succinct!

[3put]

People don't have time for riddles, just make your points clear and succinct!

Good advice.

NYY's pitcher in this game was Ian Kennedy.
Unfortunately WSEX's line had J. Kennedy as starting pitcher.
So more than 6 hours after I placed my bet and after the game started my WINNING wager was cancelled due to a wrong pitcher.

I hope you will doublecheck if you had a bet on Tampa Bay.

[fearless]

Good advice.

NYY's pitcher in this game was Ian Kennedy.
Unfortunately WSEX's line had J. Kennedy as starting pitcher.
So more than 6 hours after I placed my bet and after the game started my WINNING wager was cancelled due to a wrong pitcher.

I hope you will doublecheck if you had a bet on Tampa Bay.

That's total BS, I'm sorry.

[EJandV]

my question marks meant I dont understand what you are saying , you saying they ripped you off ? Did you ever see you bet under review wagers ? do you ever print your wagers out ? Did you write the bet id down ?

[3put]

my question marks meant I dont understand what you are saying , you saying they ripped you off ? Did you ever see you bet under review wagers ? do you ever print your wagers out ? Did you write the bet id down ?

No, I am not saying that WSEX ripped me off.
Technically they are right, I guess. After all, the pitcher was NOT J. Kennedy, it was I. Kennedy.
OK, there is no pitcher in MLB called J. Kennedy, so it is weird that WSEX lists a non-existing person as pitcher!
I checked my reports at WSEX when NYY was 9-3 in the 8' inning.
I got a little disappointed to see my wager was cancelled. There was a fair chance that NYY would win.

Warning:
Don't bet on Tiger Woods.
His real name is Eldrick Woods, so your bet could possibly be cancelled by WSEX.

PS
I complained and WSEX has now graded it as a win.

[The HG]

I complained and WSEX has now graded it as a win.

Of course it should be a win, any book that would have cancelled that bet should be rated F-.

[WSEX]

I want to clarify a few points.

The pitcher was listed with the wrong initial.

ALL bets were cancelled just after 11 AM Eastern, both Yankees and Tampa. Technically it was the correct decision, but it is obviously not the only way this could have been handled.

You did make another play at 12:35 PM Eastern, after your Yankee bet was refunded but before the Yankees game began.

*** The game did not start until 1 PM Eastern. All bets were refunded approximately 2 hours before the first pitch.

Your first email complaint about this matter was at 3:06 PM Eastern.

You were sent an email at 4:30 PM Eastern stating you would be credited for the wager.

At approximately 5:27 PM Eastern, your account was fully credited for the Yankees play.

For reasons unknown to us, at 7:20 Eastern if I am converting the time on this site correctly, you made a negative post about WSEX after the matter had already been resolved in your favor. In this thread, you also imply that Tampa players should check to make sure their wagers were cancelled as well since WSEX may not have cancelled both sides.

WSEX is not a slimeball operation. We made a mistake and we apologize. Mistakes happen and we own up to them when they do. We resent the implication that we may have only cancelled winning player tickets.

Remarkably, not one Tampa bettor has complained about their cancelled play.

WSEX

[Stumpage]

WSEX, that's a pretty damn good post in my opinion.....Seems like you guys handled it professionally. I'm on the outside looking in of course, but I don't really see why this resulted in negative press, so to speak.....

[ShamsWoof10]

I have noticed a lot of stupid mistakes by books lately... 2 nights ago WagerStreet had the two Friday NFL games for the halftime line instead of the two late Thurs. games.. They had the right lines but the wrong teams... I wanted to play it but didn't because of the error...

[freebie]

isn't there a starting pitcher name J.Kennedy for the Oakland A's?

[onlooker]

There is a Joe Kennedy, yes.

[The HG]

This is an interesting case, and first of all kudos to WSEX for doing the right thing, that's why they are an A rated book, because they do always appear to do the right thing, you never hear of a situation where WSEX was shady, this is the first I've ever heard of something like this, and they took pains to affirm their commitment to being an honest book, as they should.

Obviously it's incumbent upon the bettor to look at what he is doing, but how many of us would have caught the "I"/"J" mistake?? I doubt I would have. And if I had made a major bet on the Yankees, left my house to go about my day, and come back to see that it had been canceled because my bet specifically stated that I only wanted the bet to stand if the starting pitcher had a last name of Kennedy and the first initial of "J" (but don't worry, it would have also been canceled if I had lost), needless to say I would have been infinitely pissed.

But WSEX, regarding the lack of canceled Tampa Bay complaints, that is not the flip side of this problem. The flip side is, if you had let all the bets with "J" stand, including the losing bets, how many Tampa Bay backers would have called in to complain that their bet should be canceled because their bet said "J" instead of "I"? I doubt you would have had even one caller calling in trying to work that angle.

[GitRDone]

I am not familiar with WSEX but the majority books have an option to list the starting pitchers or not. If you didn't ask for them to be listed, instead you chose action only (which is 99.9% of the time the default option), then they SHOULD have credited you in the very first place. The only way this wouldn't apply is if you chose the run line, then the correct starting pitchers must start. If WSEX makes you list the starting pitchers (with no option of action only) then I would look for a different book cuz everyone that I have found gives you that option. Just a thought, glad it was taken care of.

[bigboydan]

Anyone know offhand what other books made this mistake with the initial?

[louis]

They let you win this game; that is incredible for a book, even after cancelling the bet before the game started.

They are one of the top 3 books that US players can play at right now, and they deserve to be rated where they are, from my past experience with them. There are A books in Costa Rica which deserve their rating, but I think the location of WSEX gives it an edge over some of the others in Central America (Panama, Costa Rica).

[biggamer3]

A reason why i only play at WSEX, the most honest book in the business!

This asshole should get beaten up in an alley, what a slimeball, gets his bet won, and has the audacity to rip WSEX!

[LT Profits]

My biggest complaint with WSEX (and I am sure I am not alone) is that they are the only major book I know of that does not have an "Action" option. Is there a reason for that WSEX?

[The HG]

They let you win this game; that is incredible for a book, even after cancelling the bet before the game started.

I think it's great that WSEX handled it how they did, it shows that they deserve to be among the very elite of current books, without question, but I wouldn't say it's "incredible", they just did the right thing.

If I had been WSEX, instead of canceling all the bets, I would have just changed the typo, and notified people through email about it. All the bets would have stood, and no one would have batted an eye about it. I can guarantee you no one handicapped and bet that game thinking Joe Kennedy or anyone other than Ian Kennedy was starting.

[3put]

You did make another play at 12:35 PM Eastern, after your Yankee bet was refunded but before the Yankees game began.

*** The game did not start until 1 PM Eastern. All bets were refunded approximately 2 hours before the first pitch.

Your first email complaint about this matter was at 3:06 PM Eastern.
WSEX

This asshole should get beaten up in an alley, what a slimeball, gets his bet won, and has the audacity to rip WSEX!

First, let me apologize to WSEX. You made the correct decision about my play.

Let me try to explain:

I live in Europe and it can be VERY hard at times to convert the time. Different books use different timezones, and US has 3 timezones.

Anyway, I thought the game started at 11:05:00 on the clock used by WSEX. So I thought the bet was cancelled after start of the game. This would have been very wrong in my opinion.
Only when WSEX posted in this thread I realized my mistake.

It is correct that I placed a bet at 12:35 PM Eastern, BUT I did not check my reports until about 3 PM Eastern, so I was unaware that WSEX had cancelled my bet.
WSEX, please confirm this.

I contacted WSEX immediately at 3:06 PM Eastern.
The game was still under way, so I was not trying to take a shot at WSEX.

[RonPaul2008]

Glad to see they fixed that...would have been shady to just cancel that. Did they grade all Yankees bets as wins? The worker who made they mistake probably doesn't feel to good about it.

No, I am not saying that WSEX ripped me off.
Technically they are right, I guess. After all, the pitcher was NOT J. Kennedy, it was I. Kennedy.
OK, there is no pitcher in MLB called J. Kennedy, so it is weird that WSEX lists a non-existing person as pitcher!
I checked my reports at WSEX when NYY was 9-3 in the 8' inning.
I got a little disappointed to see my wager was cancelled. There was a fair chance that NYY would win.

Warning:
Don't bet on Tiger Woods.
His real name is Eldrick Woods, so your bet could possibly be cancelled by WSEX.

PS
I complained and WSEX has now graded it as a win.

[jk21]

Anyone know offhand what other books made this mistake with the initial?

Yes, it happened to me more than a year ago at IASBET/Canbet.

Manager was needed, but nicely credited me with the win after couple of days.

[patswin]

Looks like wsex did the right thing here, player should be happy he was credited with a win. They are a top level A+ book imo

[JED]

isn't there a starting pitcher name J.Kennedy for the Oakland A's?

He is was just called up by the Jays today. Jays signed him to minor league contract after d-backs let him go. D-backs claimed him from Oakland on waivers

[stump]

i'm glad to see WSEX did the right thing and paid the wager.

agree with LT, they need an action bet in baseball.

[aggie]

cancelled for same reason. should read B KIM

[Dark Horse]

The guy who started this thread did so after being paid for the wager.

Is it just me or are there more new visitors lately with absurd complaints?

Undoubtedly this @^%#@ didn't expect WSEX to drop in here...

[WSEX]

But if I deposit today and make a payout tomorrow, how long will it be until I get the money?

A courier withdrawal would take 4-5 business days.

A regular mail withdrawal would take about 30 calendar days.

[UncleChris]

The guy who started this thread did so after being paid for the wager.

Is it just me or are there more new visitors lately with absurd complaints?

Undoubtedly this @^%#@ didn't expect WSEX to drop in here...

Thought exactly the same. Due to the fact everything has been treated in contenment of the customer this topic is an insolence!

WSEX A+
3put F-