[onetobet]

Why did BetCris pull off of don best live odds feed?

[jjgold]

I think Rick from Rx is undermining DB to sign up with RX line service

[Santo]

Apparantly CRIS have some involvement with Feist's new line tracker service.

[Bill Dozer]

http://www.linetracker.com. Big hit for DB losing one of the big boys. The Player who pays $550 is going to need to see a CRIS book during foots and hoops.

[Santo]

Do you have any idea how it's going to affect G&J, RX, SBR Odds etc Bill? Have SBR had/expecting any request to remove CRIS from SBR Odds?

[Bill Dozer]

No, we haven't and don't expect to. The download/application fee service is a different product. It helps the sportsbooks to have their lines on on HTML odds pages. Players can all watch the same feed as opposed to constantly pulling their own data using the refresh button. How it affects the money services I don't know. Sean may have a take on it and maybe GJ Mike will stop in.

[GJMike]

No, we haven't and don't expect to. The download/application fee service is a different product. It helps the sportsbooks to have their lines on on HTML odds pages. Players can all watch the same feed as opposed to constantly pulling their own data using the refresh button. How it affects the money services I don't know. Sean may have a take on it and maybe GJ Mike will stop in.

I have never been an advocate of exclusive deals. I dont see much changing for G&J. Don Best tried to do it for years and it didnt succeed. I dont see how this is any different.

[jjgold]

Linetracker is going to be the huge winner here

They have the best books now

[Bill Dozer]

I think DB did good with that for a while. They don't have the leverage they used to have now that technology has caught up and will have to change the plan. They aren't going anywhere just yet imo. Linetracker looks nice and so does is GJ...pretty smooth.

[GJMike]

This only benefits G&J. Just as SBR is known for honesty and integrity in the sportsbook rating business, G&JUpdate is know for honesty and integrity in the Paid-for premium line service business. We have never held up a line, injury, or any other vital piece of information on our line service. Our Greek lines are still the most accurate in the business and will continue to be so.

I would just have a hard time trusting a tout in Jim Fiest to honestly run a line service business, much less if Spiro and company are behind it and manipulating the numbers.

I dont like to bash someones hard work, and I rarely do, but take all that and add to the fact that the Linetracker software is just sub-par. It flickers, the columns dont light up on changes, they stole just about every idea from DB and GJ, etc.... the list goes on. Oh, and btw, can you count on them to be first to the injuries?

Just a rant, not an official statement.

[jjgold]

RX will replace DB....it is all set up, the platform is the same

Rick was clever and will have all the top books

Can't anyone see this? Don Best when sold got fukked

[SBR_John]

Hmm interesting thread.

About all I would agree on is that GnJ are slight winners in all this. And that could be short lived. If these books are getting a piece of the Linestracker revenue then why wouldnt they want their lines exclusive to that service?

Hopefully these books are smart enough to continue to publish on SBR since our web application results in a 5 - 20 second delay. We cater to smaller players who wouldnt buy Linestracker anyway.

I would also say they should not try to cut out GnJ either. Consumers should have a choice. That alone will help grow the market for all.

[jjgold]

If Greek and Jazz to an exclusive deal with Linetracker they will have market cornered.

[GJMike]

They wont pull off of your 'slightly' delayed service. I spoke with a few of the books myself and they dont mind being on the delayed sites. One asked politely to come off of our service. When we politely declined he asked if we would at least change their name up top.

The problem with this whole 'exclusive' thing is that its not really something that can be exclusive. They put out their lines for the world to see. Anyone that has a free or funded account have access to their lines. It is technically if not literally public information.

The only real thing they could do is put in place things to try to block people from getting the lines, but I think that becomes energy and cost prohibitive. I could hire a monkey for $6/hr (or less if i went overseas) to hand punch those numbers all day long.

Don Best couldnt get exclusive rights, I really dont see how Linetracker will make it work.

[GJMike]

And as a side note:

Don Best is the one that made that big marketing push 'the 4 big books...' etc. They made it seem like there were only 4 big books that were super important to pump their product. It is quite funny now, but they shot themselves in the foot by doing that. They pounded in the heads of all of their customers and the gambling world that there were only 4 books worthy of our business, and now they all left.

They should have had the mentality that all the books were important... I mean, 5dimes, wsex, betjm, catalina, youwager, skybook, etc... there are plenty of great books.

[The Judge]

It looks like CRIS is going exclusive with Linesmaker but I see G&J still have their lines up as well.

BetCRIS.com announces exclusive relationship with LineTracker.com

Release date: San Jose, Costa Rica, July 30, 2007

BetCRIS.com today announced a new exclusive relationship with live odds and sports information monitoring service provider, LineTracker. Effective Monday, July 30, 2007, BetCRIS will remove itself from all other line services, including DonBest.com, and give LineTracker exclusive rights to post its live lines.

Other online sportsbooks are expected to similarly adopt the LineTracker platform, including BookMaker.com, BetGrande, and Option Sports. This will likely make LineTracker the industry standard in terms of the dissemination of live lines and odds and sports information related to North American sports.

In business for over 21 years, BetCRIS.com has built a reputation among sports betting enthusiast as one of the most established and respected gaming companies in the world. Featured in national media outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Times, CNBC, and more, BetCRIS.com is renowned as "where the line originates".

LineTracker is a real-time tool for the most trusted source of timely sports data in the industry. LineTracker GOLD, the flagship offering, offers a more extensive service than its competitors for monitoring the action of a particular game, injuries, or industry lines in REAL time, while maintaining a more competitive price. Through a wholly owned subsidiary, LineTracker is owned by Big Stick Media Corporation, a public company whose shares trade on the Toronto Stock Exchange - Venture, under the symbol BSM (BSM.V on Yahoo Finance).

For more information contact:
Esteban S
Public Relations Coordinator
pr@betcris.com

[jjgold]

More big time books are going to folllow going to linetracker, Jim Feist Site is very well respected in the USA even if Jimmy not involved anymore.

Slightly delayed though is the same exact thing as real time in sports because it does not matter. 1 minute off is nothing, lines dont move that quick.

Why anyone pays for a line service is behond belief

[Bill Dozer]

And as a side note:

Don Best is the one that made that big marketing push 'the 4 big books...' etc. They made it seem like there were only 4 big books that were super important to pump their product. It is quite funny now, but they shot themselves in the foot by doing that. They pounded in the heads of all of their customers and the gambling world that there were only 4 books worthy of our business, and now they all left.

They should have had the mentality that all the books were important... I mean, 5dimes, wsex, betjm, catalina, youwager, skybook, etc... there are plenty of great books.

I think the players know who the big boys are when it comes to line moves and the screens. They're important because they drive the numbers, not because of DB marketing. BetJam is a great sportsbook but if you want to know which way the Raiders line is moving or see the opener, you look to The Greek.

[GJMike]

I think the players know who the big boys are when it comes to line moves and the screens. They're important because they drive the numbers, not because of DB marketing. BetJam is a great sportsbook but if you want to know which way the Raiders line is moving or see the opener, you look to The Greek.

Thats the general opinion, but I dont find it to be totally accurate. The Greek is one of the biggest bettors out there right now. He even manipulates his numbers on the Don Best screen. In fact, I dont see how he will pull off of Don Best without negatively effecting his betting business.

The wiseguys move into offscreen books as much as possible. They obviously dont want anyone following their tracks. They will hit locals, non-screens, and lower-key screen books as much as possible before dumping into the big books. Some of the big book moves are head-fakes.

[jjgold]

Line service not worth it for another reason, only like 7 safe books now to play at

$350 a month for 7 saf books with all the same lines for the most part?

[Scorpion]

I dont use live lines, free or paid, I dont care!

[jjgold]

Scorpy for most it is worthless

[betbetter]

Thats the general opinion, but I dont find it to be totally accurate. The Greek is one of the biggest bettors out there right now. He even manipulates his numbers on the Don Best screen. In fact, I dont see how he will pull off of Don Best without negatively effecting his betting business.

The wiseguys move into offscreen books as much as possible. They obviously dont want anyone following their tracks. They will hit locals, non-screens, and lower-key screen books as much as possible before dumping into the big books. Some of the big book moves are head-fakes.

Exactly.

And not " Some of the big book moves are head-fakes ", MORE THAN HALF ARE FAKE...

the action more times than not is moving exactly opposite to what ANY line service is showing.


Cris can go anywhere they want, their onscreen numbers are not indicative of where the moneys headed at any given time.

[jjgold]

If so many lines are fake why buy the service??

Lol

[GJMike]

If so many lines are fake why buy the service??

Lol

The people that buy the service know why they are buying it. The line service pros have learned to read the screen like a book. I am not saying it is un-important to have these books on your screen, as you should have them all, but 1-2 books are not the end all be all to a line service.

Even though the pros try to cover their tracks, you can only cover up hundreds of thousands of dollars in line movement so much, and believe me, CRIS, TheGreek, Grande, et al are not the only place where the leak shows up.

[Bill Dozer]

Thats the general opinion, but I dont find it to be totally accurate. The Greek is one of the biggest bettors out there right now. He even manipulates his numbers on the Don Best screen. In fact, I dont see how he will pull off of Don Best without negatively effecting his betting business.

The wiseguys move into offscreen books as much as possible. They obviously dont want anyone following their tracks. They will hit locals, non-screens, and lower-key screen books as much as possible before dumping into the big books. Some of the big book moves are head-fakes.

Regardless if they are the numbers you can actually get at the sharp books they are still potentially moving numbers elsewhere. 5Dimes and Jamaica will tell you their players don't move numbers. They are great to have for line shopping expecially with a 5D who adjusts the price instead of points to offer a different number but I wouldn't pay anything for lines without getting a jump on locals or slower books. You need those 4 or 5 during football IMO.

[jjgold]

Have a tabbed browser have 5 windows open with books of your choice...another with covers, another with cbs scores, another with sbr live lines

Price=FREE

BETTER THAN ANY PAID SERVICE COMBINED AND REAL TIME AS IT GETS

[Scorpion]

Mike at JJ,
I need a free trial, 7-14 days!

Waiting.......

[jjgold]

linetracker is sitting pretty right now in the battle of paid services

software not bad

[onetobet]

Linetracker just added 2 more books today from DB( Catlalina And Instant action Sports).

[Scorpion]

I think Rick left that sinking ship just in time, but he could be the lost Dutchman, arriving at the rx to watch them sink next.

Soooo sad!

[jjgold]

Linetracker just added 2 more books today from DB( Catlalina And Instant action Sports).

Pretty solid books

[Santo]

I don't think anyone is going to pay 6 bills a month to see what Vegas and The Pig do. Maybe SBG and Cascade. G and J Mike does have one valid point, DB keyed their pitch on having the exclusive books, and now that they are fleeing, it looks like a backfire strategy. A line service can work out the glitches and the problems overtime. But a true screenwatcher needs those big movers, all of them. I think Rick left that sinking ship just in time, but he could be the lost Dutchman, arriving at the rx to watch them sink next.

The thing is, you don't necessarily need a books permission to get their lines. There are ways to get pretty accurate lines (think botnet) without the book feeding them in, it just costs the book more in bandwidth.