[raiders72001]

I can see the guys that are getting the free bailouts playing there but why swould anyone else play there.

They bailout anyone and don't do their homework on who they are bailing out. They have huge bonuses. They should be on the run list.

[tacomax]

A typical raiders flip-flop. One minute he's squealing that he's the sharpest sharp on the internet. Next he has a 0-6 weekend.

People might take you seriously if you thought about what you say and stuck to it. Actually they probably wouldn't take you seriously at all but at least they could say you were consistent if nothing else.

Let's see what you've had to say about them recently:

Like I said, it's a risk/reward thing with Betonstars. I feel they are safe and will play with them. Others don't feel that way so they won't. I don't know why you aren't playing there.

I think that TOW knows a lot more about the ownership of Betonstars than you do. I'll play there.

[Quarm]

Hes a frustrated loser like his mate JJ, that has been pointed out in several other forums before and is as proven as it can be online...
im just stating it, i dont know personally so dont jump on me i dont care about him.

[freebie]

I wouldn't play there. Too many damn rules.
If you read their bonus promotion rules. It's next to impossible to cashout.
I don't find any value in betonstar. :thumbs_do shit

[raiders72001]

Taco- You are a flat out liar. I never had a 0-6 weekend but you can't get anything right. It's obvious that you are a rookie gambler.

At first I liked Betonstars but now I don't. If you can't see what they have been doing recently then you are blind.

[jay88]

Raiders, before I decide to give somebody a bailout I talk to Roberto or Bill...
They know the type of players we cater.
Freebie, yes, the rules for our big bonuses are hard, but we have to cover our backs. We still offer normal bonuses that are much easier to beat and in our normal bonuses you can withdraw your winnings at any time. For December is 30% cash on your first deposit or reload and is 7x rollover.

[Quarm]

For December is 30% cash on your first deposit or reload and is 7x rollover.

Thats a good offer...about the 100% bonus: what do people actually expect? A new bookie that gives them a 100% with a 5x roll only maybe? Thats silly and you know it, they would be bancrupt by the end of this year...
so read the fekking rules before you complain.

My problem with books like BoS is not the bonus requirements (they are usually better than from the bigger books), but the lines. I didnt look yet, but i think i dont have to - im sure its 20c on everything, and clones of the big books.

While this is also normal, it eleminates all reasons to play with them. All but the bonus...but they dont like bonus whores...
its a problem that cant be solved, there simply is no need for any new books as long as there is a big 1 for everything you need.

[BuddyBear]

If nothing else Jay seems like a nice guy

[Quarm]

yeah he may be a nice guy, but does that matter when sending your (maybe hard earned) money somewhere? ^^
There has to be a real reason to play at a new book...
and they know damn well that its only the bonus that is tempting.

Thats why i think its ****ed up that most want to get rid of bonus whores, the positive reports help them to get started.
All they have to do is pay them if they win, and set enough rules to protect themselves.

[BuddyBear]

well i wouldn't play there but geez...at least you have a manager or whatever he is out here in public. That should make people feel a little bit better.

[tacomax]

If you're betting big and often, you want to play at Pinnacle with their -104 lines. If you're a small recreational player, then Betonstars could be a good choice for you.

[Quarm]

If you're a small recreational player, then Betonstars could be a good choice for you.

I doubt that...if you are a small player theres other top bookies who would be the "good" choice, like Canbet or Betjammy.

Those sites look better (no offense to BoS, but its just a fact), have good bonuses also (maybe even better cause less rules), and the big advantage of an excellent (payout and CS) history.
Free payouts, etc etc.

A small recreational also doesnt line shop, so he needs only 1 or max. 2 good books. Would YOU play at BoS or Canbet?


Theres only 2 sorts of peeps who play at BoS prolly:
1. Bonus enthusiasts (i just love that word9
2. People who dont have a clue, and found them on google or any advertisement.

[jay88]

I agree with some of you guys... If you are a big bettor you should play at pinnacle or Cris... I'm the first person to recommend big players there.
Why would a small player play at a shop where lines are posted for sharks and wise?
If you like bonuses you are welcome to join us. We offer same day payouts (one free per month), 24 hours, 7 days a week customer service and wagering. I agree and I'm the first to say that many shops might be better than us, but we are going to be here for a long time and little by little we'll increase our services to become an A+ book. For the meanwhile we treat all our customer as VIP, everybody is treated as a person and not as a number like many A+ books might treat you. Management is always ready to talk to any bettor, it doesn't matter if you loose $10,000 a day or you win, all the management is here to help and reply to any question any player might have. Even if you don't play with us you can always call in and ask for any information and we'll be more than happy to help you.

[AK]

Bonuses are good

[jumper]

i like betonstars,they treat me well and payed out both visits,ill redeposit soon

[jay88]

Jumper, Thanks for posting the good feedback...

[HAPPY BOY]

hey will see if betonstars passes the test of time thats the true meter, all I know is Jay gave me a nice bail out I know It's gonna be hard with a 15x rollover but if and when I get there I think he'll man up. mayebe by then his book has been upgraded.

[jay88]

Happy Boy, you'll see how fast we can pay...

[applepicks]

The least we can say is that Jay is available to speak on these threads and the CS at betonstars is great. Why is it if someone is unhappy with a book for no good reason(stiff,slow pay,ect.) they come to the forums and vent. If there is a reason that everybody should run then let us know, but as for personal opinions then turning into a flame war against a new book, I just don't agree.APPLE

[jay88]

Applepicks, thanks for the post. Anyways I don't feel that this post is negative at all... I'm happy that people talk about us and it feels great when our players come here and post a good feedback on us. I understand that many bettors are skeptical and only time will prove them wrong.

By the way... Today is MY BIRTHDAY!!!!

[raiders72001]

Happy Birthday Jay.

Quarm

Theres only 2 sorts of peeps who play at BoS prolly:
1. Bonus enthusiasts (i just love that word9
2. People who dont have a clue, and found them on google or any advertisement.

Once again Quarm proves his ignorance. There are good reasons to play at BOS. Look for some other bets besides straight bets and you'll find out what I mean. There's a reason for the 50/50 rule.

[Quarm]

Raiders is so full of BS its funny lol - first he brings up a thread why anyone should play there, and now he says theres many reasons to play with BoS.
Thansk for proving that drugs are dangerous for kids raiders, btw whats your post count on all internet gambling forums? 10000000?

[raiders72001]

Are you talkng Betonstars or BoS(Betonsports)?

Betonstars is very risky. Betonsports has lots of advantages.

[Quarm]

Betonsports of course, why should i talk about betonstars in a betonstars thread? Something to think about for ya raiders, cheers

[raiders72001]

A small recreational also doesnt line shop, so he needs only 1 or max. 2 good books. Would YOU play at BoS or Canbet? Theres only 2 sorts of peeps who play at BoS prolly: 1. Bonus enthusiasts (i just love that word9 2. People who dont have a clue, and found them on google or any advertisement.

Quarm- You have no idea what you are talking about so how the hell is anyone else to make sense of your dribble without a decoder.

[pier0]

I can see the guys that are getting the free bailouts playing there but why swould anyone else play there.

They bailout anyone and don't do their homework on who they are bailing out. They have huge bonuses. They should be on the run list.

I've a question for you,

what reason did you have to send players to Play the Score?

Everybody else on this forum would have been entitled to ask your question on BetonStars, except you...

And before you start, I know that you've helped all players getting bailed out, but that's not the point...

[raiders72001]

With PTS I believed in the owner and management. They told me that they would boot sharps immediately and they had $500 limits on all bets.

They also told me that they were just testing post up to see if it would work. They already had an established credit side. All this would lead anyone to believe that their was no intent to stiff anyone.

Betonstars said that he would bail out a sharp on this board. Their bonuses are ridiculous. There's no way that a book can survive with this model.

[applepicks]

Damn your telling me that a "sharp" is playing with such risky books that they need a bailout? Maybe I'm missing something here but shouldn't most sharps be playin at respected books and not be taking a chance at some mid tier book? Tell me I'm not the only one here that has a 90-10(top-tier,mid-tier) ratio as far as books go. I'll try a new book for a nickel but til they prove themselves no way are they getting anymore than a nick.APPLE

[pier0]

With PTS I believed in the owner and management. They told me that they would boot sharps immediately and they had $500 limits on all bets.

They also told me that they were just testing post up to see if it would work. They already had an established credit side. All this would lead anyone to believe that their was no intent to stiff anyone.

Betonstars said that he would bail out a sharp on this board. Their bonuses are ridiculous. There's no way that a book can survive with this model.

I personally think that a book cannot survive if it concentrates only on forum players and as I see Betonstars spending a lot of time on fora, both American and European, I've my own doubts about them as well.

But then I don't know if they already have a diversified player's base...yet I don't see how come you know they don't do their homework and why they should be the ones on the run list while there are at least other 5 new shops which have a very similar business model...

I suspect BetonStars is the biggest of the "rookies", though.

[raiders72001]

pier- The only reason I'm talking about Betonstars and not some of the other books is because of the strong presence that Betonstars has here at SBR.

I agree that taking on strictly forum players is a bad idea when you are offering big bonuses as forum players know exactly how to use this to their advantage.

If they were to advertise to get non-forum players then the 25% bonus could be a nice money maker for them. I have not seen any outside advertising or promotions from Betonstars outside of the forums. Jay, correct me if I am wrong.

While most books send out promotions and big bonuses to the clientele that they want, Betonstars looks to be taking on all players. 777Rock will take on all players but they know what they are doing. Betonstars is learning and it could be a costly lesson.

[AK]

I personally think that a book cannot survive if it concentrates only on forum players and as I see Betonstars spending a lot of time on fora, both American and European, I've my own doubts about them as well.

But then I don't know if they already have a diversified player's base...yet I don't see how come you know they don't do their homework and why they should be the ones on the run list while there are at least other 5 new shops which have a very similar business model...

I suspect BetonStars is the biggest of the "rookies", though.

They are not just getting forum members. They have everything they need to get players.

They have been around longer then you think.

People still think this book is new and independent but let me tell you there a sister book of a very large respectful business and I will not release this info.
Trust me they have nothing to hide but lets say this is an adventure for them on the "bonus side"

They are not located in the same office as there "sister" site

[Quarm]

Quarm- You have no idea what you are talking about so how the hell is anyone else to make sense of your dribble without a decoder.

raiders72001
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Thats more fun than arguing with that clown, think ill show him that everytime he starts the crap.
Btw guys...do a search for raiders72001 started threads at the RX, you will have a very fun read - reminds me of his crap here ^^

[raiders72001]

AK- You have to give a lot more detail than the generalizations that you are making for me to believe in this book.

Where are they getting players from? Do you think their business model is good giving 25% bonuses with 20% reups and 20% referrals. You should be making a killing off of them.

[AK]

AK- You have to give a lot more detail than the generalizations that you are making for me to believe in this book.

Where are they getting players from? Do you think their business model is good giving 25% bonuses with 20% reups and 20% referrals. You should be making a killing off of them.

I'm doing well scalping out if thats what you mean.