[bigjake]

Anybody but me having problems with wwts. I have been with them for about 3 years never had a problem until this season. It has been one stall tactic after another all year on my payouts, I have finally had enough started using Pinnacle and have had no problems. The thing I don't understand is I never had a problem at wwts until this year.

[AK]

Originally Posted by bigjake

Anybody but me having problems with wwts. I have been with them for about 3 years never had a problem until this season. It has been one stall tactic after another all year on my payouts, I have finally had enough started using Pinnacle and have had no problems. The thing I don't understand is I never had a problem at wwts until this year.

YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE

[jay88]

Isn't WWTS an A book?

[picantel]

I do not play there anymore. They did pay slowly. For the last couple of weeks I keep getting charges from them even though I am not depositing. bank has been notified.

[AK]

Originally Posted by picantel

I do not play there anymore. They did pay slowly. For the last couple of weeks I keep getting charges from them even though I am not depositing. bank has been notified.

Holly CRAP!

Time to "try to withdraw" again for entire balance

[freebie]

one of those stayaway kinda book. Never did like them

[jay88]

Originally Posted by freebie

one of those stayaway kinda book.

What do you mean? They have been around for a long long time...

[Dire-Wolf]

Is just the fact they pay, a reason to have them rated A+? Just one year ago they were top on the recommended list. I could never understand how anybody could think they are any better than average. I've had no use for them in the last year and don't plan on ever using them again after hearing about these issues. If these things are true then their rating needs a big tumble.

[Quarm]

"Is paying out, and being a long time in the business a reason for A+?" No way...there is so many good books that ALWAYS pay, and pay FASTER.

WWTS is a B book for me now, the site isnt as good as it used to be. Talk about a crappy betcorp standard look...
Also they dont have the betting options that pinny, oly and the other REAL top books have.
They dont have good prices either, thinking about it i dont see any reason to play there now...

[pats3peat]

Originally Posted by Quarm

"Is paying out, and being a long time in the business a reason for A+?" No way...there is so many good books that ALWAYS pay, and pay FASTER.

WWTS is a B book for me now, the site isnt as good as it used to be. Talk about a crappy betcorp standard look...
Also they dont have the betting options that pinny, oly and the other REAL top books have.
They dont have good prices either, thinking about it i dont see any reason to play there now...

you're right..

ihave no personal experience with them but if people are complaining.. it shouldnt be reccomended

[fixxer]

I use Wwts frequently without any problems yet...tho yes, the payouts sometimes slow for an A+ rated bookie...

[slash]

Probably the most overrated book.

[pags11]

agreed jughead...no specific complaints...need to play about $200 more to meet my rollover requirements and I'm done with these guys...

[Dire-Wolf]

Anyone here feel like convincing us wwts is worthy of a A+?

[AK]

Anyone here feel like convincing us wwts is worthy of a A+?

Will be tuff to find someone

[clonecat]

I requested a payout for $800 at 10:30 am today and received the funds at 4:30 pm. I must be one of the few who doesn't mind them as a book. I do like Cris a little better. Probably the only one without a Pinnacle account. I feel as thought I am too small of a player for Pinnacle.

[fixxer]

I doesn't mind them as a bookie too...just I couldn't say that they are an A+ bookie....

[pags11]

no one is too small for pinnacle...

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by pags11

no one is too small for pinnacle...

Small players don't like the fees they charge to withdraw money pags.

[Dire-Wolf]

I think it's bad advice when people tell small players Pinnacle may not be for them. The money you save on juice should easily be made up for the $15 withdrawals unless you're making $2 bets and are withdrawaling every few days.

[clonecat]

Originally Posted by Dire-Wolf

I think it's bad advice when people tell small players Pinnacle may not be for them. The money you save on juice should easily be made up for the $15 withdrawals unless you're making $2 bets and are withdrawaling every few days.

Actually, know that I actually put some #'s together it does make a lot of sense, I think.

Assuming I place 20 bets a week and my standard bet is to win $50 and I win 50% of my bets. I am paying $50 per week in juice at -1.10. If the juice was lowered to -1.06, I would pay $30 per week in juice or a savings of $20 per week. I probably won't place all 20 bets at Pinnacle, but even if it is half it is $10 per week. I don't withdraw money that often, max of once per month and that is highly unlikely.

Looks like I will open a pinnacle account today.

[moses millsap]

Originally Posted by Dire-Wolf

I think it's bad advice when people tell small players Pinnacle may not be for them. The money you save on juice should easily be made up for the $15 withdrawals unless you're making $2 bets and are withdrawaling every few days.

Exactly. Good post.

[moses millsap]

I think CRIS is the worst book for the small player. (1) They run that Office Space scam where they take all the loose change (most people should be betting amounts so there are no change amounts, but I'm sure most aren't), (2) The whole loyalty points thing really isn't worth much of anything, especially since CRIS doesn't give you credit when a bet pushes (If you bet a nickel, let's say, you won't get the 500 loyalty points, because their software automatically enters the points), (3) The fees are even higher than Pinnacle's and the payouts are several hours slower.

I like both books very much, but I think the perception that Pinnacle is only geared toward the larger bettors is one that is incorrect.

[pags11]

Illusion,

I understand what you are saying...$15 withdrawal fee via neteller if you have less than $500 in your account...

[Winston Smith]

I'd gladly pay $15 dollars to have the money in my possession in 10 minutes before paying nothing to have it there in 2 weeks, if at all.

[picantel]

this is bullshit. I just got 2 more deposit reminders in my email today and 3 more withdrawals out of my bank account yesterday. If you watch these forums wwts you better stop or I will put ALL deposits in dispute

[Dire-Wolf]

The lack a response to this thread from certain people explains a lot.

[edc0218]

You guys are lucky that your payout are only delayed. But, they still owe me about 4k. Alex the manager from Betholdem have a new scum. He will accused any player of collusion so he can steal the money without any evidence. I have been asking him for an evidence or hand histories for 3 months and he never provided. He just wants to keep my 4k. I've been positng here for the last 2 months to warn all poker players not to play at betholdem.

[pags11]

I've never heard a story about wwts delaying payment this long...what are the specifics of your story?...