[ShamsWoof10]

Just wondering.. I lke to play them other then straights sometimes....

[robmpink]

I really like them. Some books offer them as virtual cash. This means that you don't have to pick the main wager and then the "if bet" at the same time. That is what I like. If you have a meager balance ($100-$1,000) it comes in handy when games are running late. BetJam, Carib, and VIP have them.

[ShamsWoof10]

I really like them. Some books offer them as virtual cash. This means that you don't have to pick the main wager and then the "if bet" at the same time. That is what I like. If you have a meager balance ($100-$1,000) it comes in handy when games are running late. BetJam, Carib, and VIP have them.

Do you mean you don't have to put them in any specific order..? Not sure what you mean by "you don't have to pick the main wager"..

[Santo]

You can go back and add the second half later, at Wagerstreet you can make any bet an IF bet, which is useful when they're slow at grading.

[jjgold]

not bad bets, it is good when cash flow is a problem also

[freebie]

I prefer "reverse" bets. I do a lot of those during NFL seasons.

[Dhuepaxuz]

I used IF BETS at Carib when I had small amount of $'s in the account. Useful in that case.

[pico]

this might sound stupid question but since i never used if bets before, i am a little curious. let's say there are 3 games.

game 1 starts at 4pm
game 2 starts at 4pm
game 3 starts at 7pm

can you do the following if bet.

bet #1: bet 100 USD on game1 if and only if win then bet 100 USD on game2? (notice game 1 and game 2 starts at the same time)

bet #2: bet 100 usd on game 3 if and only if win bet 100 usd on game 1? (game 3 starts 3 hours later...is the retro bet allowed here?)

[ShamsWoof10]

this might sound stupid question but since i never used if bets before, i am a little curious. let's say there are 3 games.

game 1 starts at 4pm
game 2 starts at 4pm
game 3 starts at 7pm

can you do the following if bet.

bet #1: bet 100 USD on game1 if and only if win then bet 100 USD on game2? (notice game 1 and game 2 starts at the same time)

bet #2: bet 100 usd on game 3 if and only if win bet 100 usd on game 1? (game 3 starts 3 hours later...is the retro bet allowed here?)

If I undertsand this correctly... Yes you can do this... You can put these three games in any order you wish... You can even do one and add the second later or I think two and add a third later at some books...

[pico]

If I undertsand this correctly... Yes you can do this... You can put these three games in any order you wish... You can even do one and add the second later or I think two and add a third later at some books...

using the greek right now. i figured out how to do the if bets, but i don't think i can add if condition to existing pending wagers.

this is every useful betting strategy. thanks for starting this thread. i have a feeling i'll be using this a lot.

[ShamsWoof10]

using the greek right now. i figured out how to do the if bets, but i don't think i can add if condition to existing pending wagers.

this is every useful betting strategy. thanks for starting this thread. i have a feeling i'll be using this a lot.

You are welcome and I am glad to have helped in some way... I believe Wagerstreet (Greeks sister) will allow you to add one later... Most books have IF bets but only a few let you do add on's.. When you make a bet (let's say it's one team) you can make it and IF option bet and while that bet is pending you can add another to it to make it an IF bet... I like them myself...

[pico]

figured out a way to make a if then bet with two parlays. why is this useful? because pinnacle doesn't have if bet option, so you could use this strategy to construct a if bet using two parlays.

i used the parlay odds on the greek, so i guess you get better odds on that parlay on pinnacle.

two games:
game 1:
team A -110
team B -110

game 2:
team C -110
team D -110

this if bet is used as an example:
bet 55 dollars to win 50 on team A, if team A wins, bet 55 dollars on team C to win 50.

so your payout for this bet will be risk 55 dollars to win 100 dollars

the payout matrix is,
team a, c win, you win 100
team a win, c loss, you lose 5
team a lose, reguardless of the outcome of game 2, you lose 55

you just need two 2-team parlay to simulate this if bet
the payout odds for two -110 parlay is x2.6
parlay 1: team a, c win risk 39 to win 101.4
parlay 2: team a, d win risk 16 to win 41.6

the total at risk for the two parlays is 55 dollars, so if team a lose, your wager outcomes is the exact same as the if bet.

if team a win, c loss, you're up 2.6 dollars (41.6-39)
if team a,c win, you win 85.4 (101.4-16)

so you could simulate if bet with 2 2-team parlays, but the payoff is worse because the vig is higher on a 2 team parlay than a straight bet. because if bet is basically two straight bets, so i think there is value to that.

if i said something wrong, please don't hesistate to point it out.

[pico]

you can't do over under and ml of a single game for a if bet.

[ShamsWoof10]

As I mentioned in the parlay thread.. If 2 if bets were the same as two straights then why don't most of the books let you put an MLB under with a + dog run line but will let you put each in as straights..?

[pico]

i just tried it and i was told i can't do it. not sure why. i can certainly do 2 2-team parlays with similar payouts.

[ShamsWoof10]

i just tried it and i was told i can't do it. not sure why. i can certainly do 2 2-team parlays with similar payouts.

What did you just try..?

[pico]

What did you just try..?

i tried the ML total bet for the tigers. If tigers win then bet on over...for example. i can't do it for some reason.

[ShamsWoof10]

No sh*t AS* and if they are two straight bets they are NOT corrleated right....? duuhhh

[ShamsWoof10]

I find it of great amusement when people use "duuhhh" as an immediate follow-up to a ridiculous statement. Keep up the good work.

You could not really have meant that 2 straight bets cannot be correlated......could you? Like making 2 straight bets, the first on over the 1st half of a game and the second on over the entire game, those wouldn't be correlated in the Shamswoofian universe, right?

Ok dipsh*t since you didn't understand that I said that out of sarcasm I guess I will have to make it black and white geeeez f*ckin' crist...

Game:
Pitt./Clev. O/u for game is 32
First Half:
Pitt/Clev. O/U for 1st Half is 16.5

Example 1:
Two Correlated straight bets:
BET ONE:
$1,100 to win $1,000 OVER 16.5 First Half
BET TWO:
$1,100 to win $1,000 OVER 32 for GAME

Example 2:
One Correlated IF BET:
$1,100 to win $2,000
IF Pitt./Clev. OVER 16.5 FIRST HALF
then Pitt./Clev. OVER 32 for GAME

Now again I'll ask you WHY don't books allow the IF bet but will allow the two straights..? and don't tell me correlated sh*t because there is a correlation IN BOTH EXAMPLES DUUUUHHHHHHHHH!!!

[ShamsWoof10]

I swear, you & BrentCrude need to have an IQ contest. Bodog would probably post a line on it for us. Seriously dude, if you are too stupid to figure this one out on your own, then there's probably no way I could possibly put it into terms simple enough for you to understand.

I'll try to give you another hint though:

In "Example 1" do you have a bet on Over the game when the 1st half goes under? In "Example 2" do you have a bet on Over the game when the 1st half goes under? Do you want a bet on Over the game when the 1st half does under?

Good luck!

I understood your example and no you don't want a bet on the over for the game if the first half goes under but again I asked you and I want an answer in ENGLISH... Why won't the books allow the IF BET but will allow the two straights..? Come on no hints just tell me... You know damn well when you tell me I am going to throw this in your face..

THEN THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME ARE THEY!!!!! Don't you F*CKIN' GET IT... an if bet is not always the same as two straights... That was what I said above and you quoted it saying.. uhhh I'll give ya a hint... NOOOO SH*T they are correlated I don't need your hints... In case you missed my original point "TWO STRAIGHTS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME AS AN IF BET"... now you want to argue with that..?

[ShamsWoof10]

Please show me where I ever said (or even remotely hinted) that an if bet is the same as two straight bets.

You are quite a piece of work.

I didn't say you did... I was making a point about an IF bet not being the same as two straights and you "CHIM" in on my quote this morning not realizing in that and the other thread that I know what correlation is and I play them in parlays and IF bets (+ dog runline and under in same game) and you come in with "Hint: it starts with C and ends in orrelation." Geeez thanks I didn't know that...

I'm a piece of work
You're a piece of ......

[ShamsWoof10]

Parlay discussion is independent from the if-bet discussion.

AGAIN the point is over your head... THE POINT IS you know I play and know correlation so I DON'T NEED YOUR HINTS..

CAPCHE!!!!?