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Old 02-16-10, 10:26 PM   #1
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I am just wondering, gamblers are supposed to have this sort of "gamblers integrity" where one of the worst things you can do is bail on your gambling debt.

I remember over the years there have been a lot of well known posters who were virtually flushed down the toilet instantly when it became known that they were reneging on their gambling debts. McIrish is the most well known story, but there have been many.

This very site started out really as a site that was supposed to be about outing all the scam books that didnt pay. So I am just wondering, why have the posters on this board that screwed Credit wagering been given nearly a free pass by the board ?

Now, I know I am going to be called a Credit Wagering shill for this, so I put that next to my name. I know I will also be accused of being one of the owners of CW. If you believe that then you can just send me $200 cash and your CW debt is clear.

I know that the owners of CW are to a great extent at fault. They should have known that this would happen. Perhaps that were nieve enough to believe that most gamblers would honor their gambling debt. Perhaps, they were just stupid. Fact is that their stupidity or nievity (sp) does not excuse a gambler taking a shot then walking away. To me, that is as bad an excuse as McIrish saying he wasnt paying because Dave called him at 6 AM.

Im not going to try to condone CW's threatening of a posters mom ( if that really happened ), and I am sure they have done other things wrong. But the fact is that CW has paid its players and continues to pay its players while it is probably being stiffed by 98% of the players who lose.

I am just saying, there have been a lot of posters on this board crying about being stiffed out of SBR points, and the so called "point stiffs" get more crap for stiffing then posters who admittedly owe and refuse to pay CW. There are over 700 faces on the stiff pages at CW, so I am guessing they have over 1000 non paying players and are thus owed over $1,000,000 a million dollars.

Do we really expect them not to be a little pissed, not to make some calls trying to collect ? I have to believe that most posters on this board would be furious if they got stiffed for $500, in fact I have seen it thousands of times on the forums. Yet we seem to expect CW to just eat the million dollars and there seems to be very little negative responses to those who have admittedly taken a shot at CW.
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Nobs, I've never understood why it is so cool to brag about stiffing creditwagering? a stiff is a stiff.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:32 PM   #3
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You are right, stiffing is wrong regardless of it it is creditwagering or not. Especially since they pay their players.

You make it seem though that 98% of the losers stiff them and they were no naive and stupid with this approach, but you do not know the behind the scenes there. I bet they built a very reputable book of legit gamblers even with the shots they have taken. Remember the regular stiffs didn't get any money from them so no investment was lost there. If the stiffing percentages were as you are making it seem, i'm sure they would of stopped a long time ago or started scamming everyone. That isn't the case though.

You're overall point is correct though, I don't see why they are marked as someone who deserves to be stiffed.... even if their business approach might seem shady.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:33 PM   #4
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SBR John made a post the other day indicating all stiffs are welcomed and posters who harass stiffs will have the posts moved to the private zone immediately. This place is a safe haven for stiffs.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:33 PM   #5
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Yeah I am surprised that most of the board seems to be OK with it. I think it says a lot for CW that they are still paying out when they are owed in the neighborhood of $1,000,000. I am not saying its OK to threaten someones mom, but If I was owed $1,000,000 I am pretty sure I would be a little pissed
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Sorry for some typos, ****ing can't even edit posts anymore I am blocked from editing.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:34 PM   #7
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You are right, stiffing is wrong regardless of it it is creditwagering or not. Especially since they pay their players.

You make it seem though that 98% of the losers stiff them and they were no naive and stupid with this approach, but you do not know the behind the scenes there. I bet they built a very reputable book of legit gamblers even with the shots they have taken. Remember the regular stiffs didn't get any money from them so no investment was lost there. If the stiffing percentages were as you are making it seem, i'm sure they would of stopped a long time ago or started scamming everyone. That isn't the case though.

You're overall point is correct though, I don't see why they are marked as someone who deserves to be stiffed.... even if their business approach might seem shady.
Coming from a stiff this is hilarious
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Old 02-16-10, 10:35 PM   #8
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Well said NOBS,

The mods here should automatically ban both point stiffs who continue to play in the sports book and posters who admit to stiffing any book.

The its their fault/ they were stupid crap is a joke it can easily be said that we are all stupid for giving credit to the overseas books. Does that make it okay for the books to stiff us?
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Old 02-16-10, 10:36 PM   #9
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we need j e t s to weigh in on this issue
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Old 02-16-10, 10:37 PM   #10
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Tsoprano,

I dont know what the percentage is, and I guess they must be collecting from some players since they are able to pay out. I am sure that 98% is probably a very high estimate but still the number has to be very high as this type of setup is going to attract the shot takers.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:38 PM   #11
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SBR John made a post the other day indicating all stiffs are welcomed and posters who harass stiffs will have the posts moved to the private zone immediately. This place is a safe haven for stiffs.
it did sound that way
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Old 02-16-10, 10:38 PM   #12
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we need j e t s to weigh in on this issue
J E T S was banned from SBR.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:39 PM   #13
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Old 02-16-10, 10:40 PM   #14
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I owe 8k to the government and 1k to CW. Who should I pay first. Let me see. Who can make my life more miserable.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:40 PM   #15
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go away with this crap how many times has it been discussed? good day.
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Old 02-16-10, 10:42 PM   #16
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Old 02-16-10, 10:44 PM   #17
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I owe 8k to the government and 1k to CW. Who should I pay first. Let me see. Who can make my life more miserable.
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go away with this crap how many times has it been discussed? good day.
less than pecos bills insecurities!!!!!!
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Old 02-16-10, 10:46 PM   #19
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There are hundreds of books. 99% are post up and 1% are credit books. 99% of the credit books have problems collecting debts. I wonder why?
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There are hundreds of books. 99% are post up and 1% are credit books. 99% of the credit books have problems collecting debts. I wonder why?
So 99% of us players should be getting stiffed by books?
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Old 02-16-10, 10:53 PM   #21
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why cant SRB ban the members from using the book and posting on the form? Or... if they earn points, they go right to the lender! well, folks who stiff on a point loan... think how they are in real life...lol..
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Old 02-16-10, 10:58 PM   #22
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iTS ALL VERY SIMPLE cw DOESNT ADVERTISE!
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Old 02-19-10, 08:56 AM   #23
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I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

How's your international collection agency making out??

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They can get my money from betus
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I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

How's your international collection agency making out??

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Who from SBR confirmed that your info was correct?
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too bad i don't work for them, some people in here would have a knock on their door and a broken leg
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I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

How's your international collection agency making out??

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They can get my money from betus
WTF? that's kinda wild, good day
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too bad i don't work for them, some people in here would have a knock on their door and a broken leg
In all honesty you would probably end up with a slug in your head or arrested.
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too bad i don't work for them, some people in here would have a knock on their door and a broken leg

Ben- you don't work for CW anymore??
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Couldn't ever get betus us to pay me bastards
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I see all the CW shills are talking to themselves again.................must be great for Ben to log in: post one msg-log out.........wait a few minutes- log in under sharppussy- make a comment........log out- log in under a different name............etc


March 24th will be here soon. Not worth any more comments.

Sharpcat- I was banned from SBR until they realized my information was correct...................go to the dentist and stuff before March 24th.

How's your international collection agency making out??

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Im getting tired of it though. Its nerve wracking all the names I have to keep logging in and out and shit. Not to mention, it doesnt even work. Hell I thought you stiffs would at least send me some SBR points since you wont pay the $$$ you owe me. Anyways talk to you later

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Err I mean Nobs
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Cause SBR doesnt care about stiffs
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Old 02-20-10, 11:41 PM   #35
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Retard Alert DUHHHHHHHHHH SLug...DUHHHHH
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