[isetcap]

Without saying anything utterly asinine like, "He's the worst manager of all time"; I do think it is time for Torre to hang it up for a while. These Yankees are a team in desperate need of some energetic leadership and that is the antithesis of Torre's style. Obviously he's had a great run, so he really doesn't need to prove anything to himself or anyone else for that matter. Things can't really get much worse for this team and a change at the top might light a fire under this squad. I'm just surprised that Steinbrenner hasn't pulled the trigger yet.

[LT Profits]

Maybe if Gerardi turns down Seattle too?

[austintx05]

how long till yankees are dogged at home

[LT Profits]

Actually, probably no time soon Austin. There are STILL enough idiots betting them to keep the books balanced and giving the dogs irresistable value. I mean you got one of the favorites for the Cy Young Award for +130 today.

[SBR_John]

I dont think its the manager although a change, any change, would probably help. This is a team that has Andy Pettitte as a starting pitcher. He couldnt even make Houston's bullpen and they suck. Yes I know their hitting is in a slump too now. Torre is proven but he cant will those pitchers to stop walking guys and hanging meatballs over the plate.

[isetcap]

Actually, probably no time soon Austin. There are STILL enough idiots betting them to keep the books balanced and giving the dogs irresistable value. I mean you got one of the favorites for the Cy Young Award for +130 today.

It's a perfect example of why people should be jumping for joy at the opportunity to fade the Yankees at these kinds of prices. The AL's ERA leader gets lit up by the yanks and the puny Oakland offense still blows them out.

[isetcap]

...hanging meatballs over the plate.

Damn you to hell, John...

I was reading your take on Pettitte when I locked in on "meatballs" and my stomach took over. Now I've got to pick up the "to go" order I just placed at my local Italian dive. Are they giving you kickbacks?

[Razz]

I dont think its the manager although a change, any change, would probably help. This is a team that has Andy Pettitte as a starting pitcher. He couldnt even make Houston's bullpen and they suck.

Before today, Pettite had a better ERA than every Astros starter. Get a grip man.

[SBR_John]

Before today, Pettite had a better ERA than every Astros starter. Get a grip man.

He is and was finished. He was sent to the pen in Houston. He has no fastball. I've seen him play in person last year. He's toast with a capitol T.

[Seattle Slew]

I thought Torre should have quit last year. You knew the Yankees were going to have a rough season by their standards because of the lousy pitching and A-Rod controversey, plus Damon will always be hurt. They'll still make a run at the playoffs but I don't see them coming all the way back and making it.

Should have walked away last October.

Without saying anything utterly asinine like, "He's the worst manager of all time"; I do think it is time for Torre to hang it up for a while. These Yankees are a team in desperate need of some energetic leadership and that is the antithesis of Torre's style. Obviously he's had a great run, so he really doesn't need to prove anything to himself or anyone else for that matter. Things can't really get much worse for this team and a change at the top might light a fire under this squad. I'm just surprised that Steinbrenner hasn't pulled the trigger yet.