[RickySteve]

I detect a slight level of facetiousness in the original post that Ricky Steve quoted for us, so it may be that this guy is not quite as bad off as he is leading some to believe, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't put into words the pain that some people are going through with this situation.

I assure you his story is genuine. In the vacuum of my quote, it may read like a bit, but if you see the context of the thread as well as his other posts, it's completely in earnest.

[pags11]

neteller is a ****in' scam...

[RickySteve]

Neteller themselves and every self-proclaimed watchdog gave every indication that this was a completely secure and solvent place to hold money, whether $5 or $500K. The rule of thumb for financial planning is to keep 3-6 months of living expenses readily available in case of financial crisis. This money has been held hostage for nearly 5 months now. It's not at all unreasonable that even the most prudent on-line gaming professionals could be verging closer to disaster as a result of Neteller's incompetence/negligence/fraud.

[aceken01]

I think I'm the only guy that owes Neteller $432 for ***************... This has been pending for the past 4 months and never been taken out of my bank account. So personally, I don't think Neteller is trying to steal anyone's money.

talk about great timing!

[JoshW]

So does anyone have a detailed update? Any progress toward funds getting released and players paid?

[Mark Shark]

Neteller is only screwed for you all because you are American. I still use Neteller regularly and it still works as good as it did when you all used to use it. The problem isn't Neteller's but your lousy government that has ruined the online gambling industry not only for Americans but for everyone else as well.

[sammyb]

Neteller is only screwed for you all because you are American. I still use Neteller regularly and it still works as good as it did when you all used to use it. The problem isn't Neteller's but your lousy government that has ruined the online gambling industry not only for Americans but for everyone else as well.

Great point Mark

thank god I am not living in a communist contry where my government tells me when I can shit and when I can piss

[Tchocky]

I feel bad for this guy but I doubt that he has more than $1,000.00 USD stuck in Neteller. I mean...how much are we talking about her? I don't blame Neteller. Our goverment is the one who seized these funds. Neteller isn't the one ruining lives...it's our goverment. I was winning a decent amount of money on a regular basis so this whole Neteller debacle has really put a crimp in my lifestyle.

[Dark Horse]

I don't blame Neteller. Our goverment is the one who seized these funds. Neteller isn't the one ruining lives...it's our goverment.

Thats what Neteller wants you to believe. Neteller can pay. They just choose not to.

As to the US government. Neteller is accused of money laundering. Don't confuse that with the anti-gambling BS. Most likely, they are guilty of money laundering.

Just to take another angle. Do you think they would have the same amount of support from the public if they had paid up? Everybody they owe money too is forced to root for Neteller. Neteller is trying to change this into a case of the US government against the people. But it's not. The reason that they're not paying you is that they're playing you.

[WileOut]

Before Neteller and before the UIGEA, millions of people in the worlds history commited suicide or had their lives and/or the lives of people around them ruined because of gambling losses.

Lets be real here, the gambling industry as a whole destroys peoples lives. Everyday in every way.

With that being said i cant stop myself from gambling. Its gambling or drugs for me. I cant go back to drugs.

[Sportsman]

Blame the us gov!!

[isetcap]

Thats what Neteller wants you to believe. Neteller can pay. They just choose not to.

As to the US government. Neteller is accused of money laundering. Don't confuse that with the anti-gambling BS. Most likely, they are guilty of money laundering.

Just to take another angle. Do you think they would have the same amount of support from the public if they had paid up? Everybody they owe money too is forced to root for Neteller. Neteller is trying to change this into a case of the US government against the people. But it's not. The reason that they're not paying you is that they're playing you.

Wow! There really are some people in this world that actually possess the power to think.

For those of you who think Neteller is a wonderful company, and that everything is still perfectly fine; you're not using your minds. Neteller is a corrupt company that got caught, and anybody who is still using them should proceed with caution, because they are still the same corrupt company. They will do the same thing to you when the heat comes again. Blame whoever you want but they'll still have your money.

[pags11]

scam city...

[BuddyBear]

what sucks is that everyone knew betting offshore was a gamble in and of itself...but one thing you could count on was Neteller being safe. Turned out that Neteller was just as bad as the BoS and Cascade's of the world.....

[tacomax]

scam city...

They pay me. What does that tell you?

[sammyb]

They pay me. What does that tell you?

They pay me to taco

Just got a wire for 3600 took 3 days

[sammyb]

Thats what Neteller wants you to believe. Neteller can pay. They just choose not to.

As to the US government. Neteller is accused of money laundering. Don't confuse that with the anti-gambling BS. Most likely, they are guilty of money laundering.

Just to take another angle. Do you think they would have the same amount of support from the public if they had paid up? Everybody they owe money too is forced to root for Neteller. Neteller is trying to change this into a case of the US government against the people. But it's not. The reason that they're not paying you is that they're playing you.

Please inform the rest of us HOW do you suggest they pay

[Willie Bee]

Blame the us gov!!

Yes, when all other weak-ass excuses fail, do what the rest of the chicken little's in the world and this country do

[BadAzz]

Neteller continues to work as well as ever for the rest of the world.
I also don't understand how could they pay you guys if the money is frozen by US government. I find it hard to believe that Neteller type of business would have such amounts of cash available from other sources.

[pjesnik24]

Please inform the rest of us HOW do you suggest they pay

for example, they could allow again member to member transfer for US citizens... sooo, if you have family of friends anywhere else in the world they could get your money and wire it to you later...

[Dark Horse]

Please inform the rest of us HOW do you suggest they pay

Any preferred method. Check, wire, you name it.

Or are you suggesting that they have no money? This is from back in February:

Originally Posted by SBR_John
They should pay the people who trusted them with their money. If they had some money frozen thats not the players problem. If I had my bank account frozen does that mean I dont have to pay my electric bill? If the DoJ holds the funds and eventually seizes the money do we the players get stiffed? If the DoJ freezes some Citibank's on a questionable wire does Citibank refuse to pay all of its customers?

Neteller earned around $300 million dollars in the last 12 months. So why can't they pay us? Because they are looking for any reason to lay down and become stiffs? I think so ala BetOnSports.

They can easily pay the US clients. Anyway you cut it, they're crooks, and I for one won't shed a single tear if they get the stiffest possible penalty allowed under US law.

[Computer]

If that's true Neteller is also ruining some wives.

[gotsteam]

Any preferred method. Check, wire, you name it.

Or are you suggesting that they have no money? This is from back in February:




They can easily pay the US clients. Anyway you cut it, they're crooks, and I for one won't shed a single tear if they get the stiffest possible penalty allowed under US law.

Unfortunately you could not be more incorrect.

Should they send any monies to the USA through USA financial institutions to attempt to pay any USA users, they risk those funds being seized and held.

As they claim to have $50+ million seized already, it would be ludicrous to risk more funds until an agreement is reached with the USA authorities who caused the entire mess in the first place, including assurances that funds being sent to USA users will NOT be confiscated.

It appears that this is exactly what they have been working towards, and hopefully for the sake of the innocent USA users who have been hurt by the actions of their government, NETeller and the USAO can conclude this agreement and get these people their monies back.

[pags11]

it tells me nothing more than you are a moron and that neteller is a major scam...