[raiders72002]

50% affiliate deals are dead. Paying books will get A and B ratings. Books will pony up to get that C rating bumped to a B.

[jjgold]

I think everyone knows there are like 7 books that are really safe now for Americans to play.

[freebie]

I think SBR will do just about anything to boost up revenues.

too many crap "A" rated books
vip
bodog

[Mudcat]

It's important to bear in mind that, though Raiders is expressing his ideas as facts, they are nothing of the sort. He is posting what he believes is possible if SBR had the same mentality as him, a former shill for multiple stiff books including BETonSPORTS.

And I don't doubt that he wishes that what he is wildly guessing at were true so he wouldn't be the biggest low-life around. Bitter.



I personally have always found SBR to have the most reliable ratings. SBR was the only forum I'm aware of that wasn't flying a BOS banner at the time they evaporated with everyone's cash.

On top of that, when I was a mod here, I was encouraged to speak my mind in this forum if I disagreed with anything in the ratings - which I often did.

I fully expect that SBR will continue to have the most reliable ratings and that, between the ratings and this forum, it will be the best overall resource for evaluating sportsbooks. It's not perfect but it's the best. That's saying something.



As I recall, BETonSPORTS' rating was in the D- range at the time of the final STIFF. Of course by conspiracy-minded thinking, they were a good book that was being punished because they weren't willing to make a big enough payoff for a higher rating.

The truth was much simpler. SBR was right and Raiders/BOS just sucked.

[raiders72002]

Mudcat- Why don't you tell me what changes that SBR will make in order to keep profits stable or increasing with the new laws?

Also, I don't have the need to brag in every post as you do," I'm a professional gambler, I'm a professional gambler".

Without the help of SBR getting you paid with your scamming, bonus whore techniques you'd be saying, "Hi, I'm Mudcat and I'm a compulsive gambler."

[raiders72002]

wasn't flying a BOS banner at the time they evaporated with everyone's cash.

They had a huge sheet that they were still getting paid once a month from.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by jjgold

I think everyone knows there are like 7 books that are really safe now for Americans to play.

5 when you toss out Bookmaker/DSI because of fees
and only 3 are different companies.

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

Mudcat- Why don't you tell me what changes that SBR will make in order to keep profits stable or increasing with the new laws?

Also, I don't have the need to brag in every post as you do," I'm a professional gambler, I'm a professional gambler".

Without the help of SBR getting you paid with your scamming, bonus whore techniques you'd be saying, "Hi, I'm Mudcat and I'm a compulsive gambler."

Say what you want about Mudcat,but from where I sit,Mudcat did'nt steal 4 figures from me as your boys from BOS did.Incidently,hows your boy Gary doing these days?

[Bill Dozer]

Like Mud said, that's the same conspiracy stuff Raiders posted when we had BOS "too low". "They weren't an advertiser so they got a lower rating!" Now the theories come on a posting board that's days away from having the posters top sportsbook choices on the top of the board.

[SBR_John]

Kind of funny considering Raiders was on the BoS payroll and working against SBR to get players paid that BoS was stiffing.

Rating were never, and never will be made on ad deals, affiliate deals or whatever. If they were BoS would have been an A+ like they were with Raiders and TOW.

Probably all major sites that depend on sportsbooks for ad revenue will lose money in 07. There is no panic at SBR. We will have new products and sites coming out and look to improve the ones we currently operate. Just like every year.

[GamblingPrincessXOXO]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Rating were never, and never will be made on ad deals, affiliate deals or whatever. If they were BoS would have been an A+ like they were with Raiders and TOW.

I dont know if I would agree with entirely. Can you explain why Bodog was downgraded from A+ to A days after their advertising banner was removed from the top?

Put another way, would bodog have had their rating lowered had they still been advertising?

[MBENZ]

Originally Posted by GamblingPrincessXOXO

I dont know if I would agree with entirely. Can you explain why Bodog was downgraded from A+ to A days after their advertising banner was removed from the top?

Put another way, would bodog have had their rating lowered had they still been advertising?

A is pretty generous considering recent payouts.Could that have some bearing?

[GamblingPrincessXOXO]

Im dont disagree with the downgrade. They are not a bad book but they are no A either. Just strange that they havent been downgraded sooner. a stranger coincedence is the timing between their downgrade and bodog pulling their advertising

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by GamblingPrincessXOXO

I dont know if I would agree with entirely. Can you explain why Bodog was downgraded from A+ to A days after their advertising banner was removed from the top?

Put another way, would bodog have had their rating lowered had they still been advertising?

Bodog is still too high at an 'A'. Moving their rating down was perfectly justified regardless of whether a banner was flying.

[jjgold]

BoDog is a solid B

[SBR_John]

Bodog is still a sponsor on SBR Odds. They are looking at another downgrade any day now if corections can not be met in their operation.

We make it clear how we operate to these books. If they want to advertise on the SBR Odds or Forum sites we operate they can. Great.

If you look at all the sites that tried to review and rate they could never overcome the sponsorship conflict and every one of them failed. VIP is coming down at the end of next month unhappy with their rating. Dont care. Our challenge is to build great sites that players enjoy and books find value, not to trade on ratings and reviews.

[Shack]

SBR has more integrity than any watchdog site and the comparison isn't close. I'd put the RX 2nd, and the others much further below.

[Senator7]

Originally Posted by jjgold

BoDog is a solid B

Agree 100%.

[homedog]

Originally Posted by Shack

SBR has more integrity than any watchdog site and the comparison isn't close. I'd put the RX 2nd, and the others much further below.

You were doing okay until you put the Rx 2nd.

The fact is that all of the sites that call themselves "watchdogs" and rate books are influenced by the money they make. Some more than others granted, but they are all influenced.

[raiders72002]

The fact is that all of the sites that call themselves "watchdogs" and rate books are influenced by the money they make. Some more than others granted, but they are all influenced.

Good post.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

On top of that, when I was a mod here, I was encouraged to speak my mind in this forum if I disagreed with anything in the ratings - which I often did.

Bill and I have discussed situations, and have occasionally disagreed. When we do, he has NEVER asked me to pull punches. That's what makes this place great - no censorship of posters, or even brainwashing of moderators to follow a company line. If a mod says something positive about a book, it is because they believe it. And if I see something shady, I'll call it like I see it, regardless of a rating.

[raiders72002]

We all make mistakes and the BoS bashing from the same people over and over again has become quite boring.

Back to the point of the thread. EOG opened up with the intent of only taking on top rated books. Soon they realized that it was impossible to make money this way and took on some crap books.

At the beginning SBR had A and B rated books go under. SBR finally got to the point, because of affiliate deals, that their ratings had become the best of the forums.

SBR had affiliate deals with almost all of the A and B rated books with the exception of the European books. Profits on these affiliate deals were great.

The only option that SBR has, without affiliate deals is to take on advertising. SBR once took on TOW as an advertiser because of a nice 6 month contract. You saw no TOW bashing until the contract was over.

Money is going to start playing a huge part in SBR ratings because advertising is now the big money maker.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

We all make mistakes and the BoS bashing from the same people over and over again has become quite boring.

Yes, I'm sure you find it boring. I'm sure you don't like being reminded about your numerous past "mistakes". I'm sure you don't like other posters knowing that your sole objective is to lie, cheat and scam. But just as players should be warned and reminded about crap books, they should also be warned and reminded about the likes of your good self and AK. Ever thought of teaming up with him?

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by tacomax

...and AK. Ever thought of teaming up with him?

Who's AK?

[raiders72002]

Taco- Can you tell us again how BoDog isn't an advertiser at SBR?

Stick to copy/paste . You just prove what a fool that you are when you post your own thoughts.

[Justin7]

Raiders,

Refresh my memory. Name one book that ever had an "A" rating that went under?

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

Taco- Can you tell us again how BoDog isn't an advertiser at SBR?

Can you direct me to where I definitively said that BoDog isn't an advertiser at SBR?

[raiders72002]

Refresh my memory. Name one book that ever had an "A" rating that went under?

Aces Gold

[raiders72002]

Taco

Oh, and as far as I'm aware, Bodog aren't a sponsor of SBR. I don't see their logo at the top of the site among the six sponsors. You'd think that if a sportsbook was a sponsor here then they'd have their logo prominently displayed, wouldn't you?

It's was obvious to all but Taco that BoDog paid.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

Taco

It's was obvious to all but Taco that BoDog paid.

I said "definitively". The quote you copied/pasted started with the snippet "as far as I'm aware". That doesn't mean "definitively". Want to check your dictionary and see what "definitively" means? Like when you definitively said that BoS would be open within the week or when you definitively said money at BoS was safe?

And I was talking about sponsorship - like sponsoring the forum, SBR as a whole or sponsoring a sub-forum. Buying a place on a lines service doesn't really constitute sponsorship. If I rented a spot in a shopping complex, does that mean that I'm sponsoring the owner of the complex?

[raiders72002]

Taco- You are slow but this is carrying it to a new level. There are complaints about BoDog and Dozer comes in defending BoDog. I believe what Dozer says to be true but why would he defend them?

My personal opinion is that BoDog will pay all even though there will be delays.

Now STFU and quit wasting my time. Just watch the ratings very carefully the next couple of months.

[freebie]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

Aces Gold

Cascade on the edge of going under

[raiders72002]

Aces Gold gambled, put up unusual lines at no juice and were a top rated book at SBR. This goes back a few years.

PanAM was more recent as John's buddy was the marketing director over there.

SBR ratings are good but with the state of the industry, ratings will be bought. It's also easy to make excuses right now if a book does go under.

Taco buys everything hook, line and sinker that SBR says. The rest of us should look deeper into the meaning of what SBR says at this time.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

Taco buys everything hook, line and sinker that SBR says. The rest of us should look deeper into the meaning of what SBR says at this time.

Where did I say that I believe "everything hook, line and sinker that SBR says". Are you going to dig up a quote that says nothing of the sort?

What I do think is that I believe anything SBR say over you, purely because you've been proven as a born liar time and time again. You'll say anything in favour of a book that pays you enough to fill your (already ample) face with a double cheeseburger. Bottom-feeders are always needed in life, and you're the one around here.

[raiders72002]

Assclown- I haven't been paid by a book in almost one year. During that time you still can't name one player that was stiffed that signed up through my site or asked for help.

Now continue on with your stroking of SBR and bad jokes.