[MaxDemo]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Magic and Bird titles were inflated due to unreal talent aroud them

Magic just had to dump the ball into Worty and an automatic 2 points

Good Point...who does King James have...no one compared to the talents that Bird and Magic had...no one even close

[jjgold]

That is what made Jordan so unreal, average talent and no big man and 6 titles!! now that is unreal.

Lebron is way better than Bird and Magic combined

[gridironguy]

In this day and age of the NBA, the talent is spread around so much that you will not find teams stacked like the old Lakers and Celtics teams.

These days, teams only need 1 or 2 stars to get it done. Last year's Miami Heat had 1 star -- Dwyane Wade. Shaq was worthless in the finals. No other stars on The Heat.

You don't need teams to be stacked these days -- in fact you can't even stack them because of the high number of teams and salary cap. Have 1 or 2 stars with tons of role players around them, and you'll be okay..

[jjgold]

Shaq was not worthless

Wade wins nothing without Shaq

[justbet]

jordan didnt have a big man, but there also werent many dominant big men during his era. Ewing was big, but was a choke artist. Jordan played in a weaker league. there are more stars now and more good teams around the league. also the rules changed dramatically when jordan was playing as to protect guards and make the game more 1 on 1 and less team basketball.

[gridironguy]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Shaq was not worthless

Wade wins nothing without Shaq

Yeah, "worthless" is too strong a word. How about "a shell of his former self".

There were a few games in the Finals where Shaq got shut down by Eric Dampier of all people. Of course, The Heat still won the finals, but, Wade was doing it pretty much by himself. Wade was hurt the 2nd half of the season in 2007, and only 70% in the first round, and The Heat gets swept.

Having Shaq in there certainly opens up things in the paint, but not as much as back when he was dunking with the Lakers and Kobe..

[smallon]

Originally Posted by MaxDemo

He did that against a Philly team that was 2nd place that year..2 games from the top spot. On the other hand King James did his against the top team in the East that played a much better defense than those 76'ers..

Some interesting stats for the year 1979-1980

Magic was the 3rd top scorer on his team that year behind Kareem and Wilkes. Averaged 24, 20 and 18 respectively.

King James was the top scorer this year on his team followed by Ilgauskas and Hughes. Averaged 31, 15, and 15 respectively.

To put in a much better perspective. Detroit had to only really worry about James and the guy still scores 29 of the last 30 points for his team....against a Detroit team that just couldn't stop 1 guy.

48 pts 9 reb 7 assists is great but here are other numbers people wont see:

2 turnovers in 58 minutes...

that is INCREDIBLE for someone handling the ball as often as he was. he took charge of every posession and for him to only commit 2 turnovers in 58 minutes of intense defense is remarkable

4 FTs in the 4th quarter and 2 overtimes

Lebron did it by himself, there was no Wade-like bailing out by the refs here. he hit those jumpers, made those dunks, created everything on his own and didn't need any refs to give him any calls.

7 assists out of 13 team assists

this is what separates Lebron from Magic. he trusts his teammates, he creates and draws double-teams to find them wide open shots, yet he still has the ability to take over the game at the end.


JMO

When I saw this on ESPN I just about s*t. The guy absolutely killed them and certainly stuck a sock in his critic's mouthes.

[kalmikrazy]

Originally Posted by austintx05

remember when Jordan put 61 on the Knicks...that happened in regulation. OT not needed.

Remember when MJ scored 63 against Boston in 2 OT.

Good thing they won that game!!!

[DrunkenLullaby]

I still think it's kinda funny how 2 good games plus one great game took this kid from absolutely nobody's NBA MVP for this season to the greatest player of all time.

Side note: How exactly one compares players of such different skills as Magic, Jordan, Wilt, Kareem & Lebron to come up with a "greatest player" is fascinating to me. It's like comparing pitchers to hitters in baseball or goalies to forwards in hockey or kickers to QBs & linemen in football.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

I still think it's kinda funny how 2 good games plus one great game took this kid from absolutely nobody's NBA MVP for this season to the greatest player of all time.

Performing at an unbelievable level in the most important of games (Lebron) can cause your stock to rise faster than performing at a high level for 82 games that mean almost nothing (Nowitzki).

[jjgold]

What happens if they lose tonight and he scores 16?

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by jjgold

What happens if they lose tonight and he scores 16?

Blame it on the officials.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by isetcap

Performing at an unbelievable level in the most important of games (Lebron) can cause your stock to rise faster than performing at a high level for 82 games that mean almost nothing (Nowitzki).

Ah yes, now I understand, games 1 and 2 of this Series were unimportant. If he has a bad game tonight, then this one will be unimportant as well. If he has another bad game in game 7 then it will be the refs' fault.

Shit, Baron Davis might be the best player of all time!

[Lenny7]

I agree with my butt buddy!
Lebron is no Jordan!

jjgold is God!

[austintx05]

jj is a loser - he rambles because he thinks we care

[jjgold]

Thanks Lenny

I know the game very well, use to coach HS

[zootiehead]

Lebron pulling another disappearing act tonight.

[gridironguy]

Originally Posted by zootiehead

Lebron pulling another disappearing act tonight.

Yeah, yet his team is tied with the Pistons at the half. If you thought the Pistons would not key on him more after what he did to them in Game 5, then you're not paying attention..

Watch for Lebron to be much more effective in the 2nd half..

[isetcap]

The Ascension.

[austintx05]

Originally Posted by isetcap

The Ascension.

make sure and wipe your chin

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by austintx05

make sure and wipe your chin

Your boyfriend asked if he could.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by isetcap

The Ascension.

Correct!

You do mean "of Daniel Gibson", right?

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

Correct!

You do mean "of Daniel Gibson", right?

Exactly!

I remember some idiot saying that Daniel Gibson probably wished he hadn't left Texas early after he was drafted late in the 2nd round. Might have been Penis Vitale since he always makes it seem like every player that leaves early is making a life-ending mistake.

Good job, DL. Obviously Austin didn't pick up on my meaning but he's a funny little guy so I'll let him slide.

[moses millsap]

Originally Posted by isetcap

Exactly!

I remember some idiot saying that Daniel Gibson probably wished he hadn't left Texas early after he was drafted late in the 2nd round. Might have been Penis Vitale since he always makes it seem like every player that leaves early is making a life-ending mistake.

Good job, DL. Obviously Austin didn't pick up on my meaning but he's a funny little guy so I'll let him slide.

I find racists to be little, but not funny.

[austintx05]

just can't let things go can you?

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by austintx05

just can't let things go can you?

You're the racist. Apparently you can't let things go.

[moses millsap]

Originally Posted by austintx05

just can't let things go can you?

Just as you wished death upon Joel Piniero and my family/friends, I wish the same to you like I said before:

I hope you die.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by OWNED

Just as you wished death upon Joel Piniero and my family/friends, I wish the same to you like I said before:

I hope you die.

Good job, Austin. Maybe you should spend less time in this forum and a little more time here where your slightly less than brilliant commentary will be welcome.

[austintx05]

Sad part is you visit those sites, I do not.

It was an outburst. I was at boiling.

Would an apology thread wipe the slate clean?

[jjgold]

Lebron played more of a team game last night, plus 3 guys on him.

Lebron makes others better like no one else that has ever played