[austintx05]

isetcap - all of what you wrote is worthless bnecause you overlooked one thing...zero killer instinct. Jordan had it for 48 minutes, LeBron doesn't know where to find it

[kalmikrazy]

Ill guarantee you ONE thing for sure. You keep goin on and on about killer instinct. Go back and check whether MJ had KILLER INSTINCT at age 22 and whether MJ had the weight of the world on his shoulders at age 22. This guy isnt even playing his best basketball YET and wont be until about 2 more years.

No matter what LJ does, ALOT of people just arent gonna get off his nuts and im sure he realizes that and just shrugs it off. He knows he is accomplishing better things right now than what MJ did at the same age. If MJ had KILLER Instinct at 22 than you would have a valid point.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by jjgold

He is no Jordan as he lacks the great athletic ability Mike had, but he just might be too overpowing just with his strength, does get more teamates involved than Jordan did and is a better playmaker than Jordan was. I think he sees the floor better. He does not have the explosive scoring punch MJ had and cannot drive to the hole as effective as Jordan did.

He is more of a Magic type player and we will see if he does win titles.

He is at least as athletic as Jordan if not more so. He is certainly stronger. His primary difference with MJ is that he becomes passive for long stretches of each game he plays, whereas Mike was as aggressive as they get from the 2nd quarter on. Jordan was by no means a polished player at the age of 22, and Magic was NEVER in the same ballpark as Lebron from an athletic standpoint.

[austintx05]

ahh..nothing like the opinion of a sooner...lol

I am not questioning LJ's athletic ability or where he is at the age of 22. I am not comparing age, but lets get right down to it shall we?

Jordan has 6 RINGS
When LJ's career is over, lets see how many he has

[jjgold]

Bird wins NO titles with Bulls as does Magic

That is how good Jordan was

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by austintx05

isetcap - all of what you wrote is worthless bnecause you overlooked one thing...zero killer instinct. Jordan had it for 48 minutes, LeBron doesn't know where to find it

Look what I found!

[jjgold]

lol

That mother fukker just put on the greatest playoff performance ever

[bigjp5091]

I am a WITNESS!

[austintx05]

remember when Jordan put 61 on the Knicks...that happened in regulation. OT not needed.

[bigjp5091]

Remember when Jordan had this many AWESOME players on his team.....because I don't. Besides Big Z, they're all development league all stars.

[onlòóker]

Lebron is killing the critics now.

Lebron gets ring #1 this year.

[austintx05]

so now it is about the other players?

I thought we were just talking about crybaby bron?

Don't remember MJ scoring 10 pts in a playoff game

[rjt721]

Originally Posted by onlòóker

Lebron is killing the critics now.

Lebron gets ring #1 this year.

When did Duncan die?

[onlòóker]

Originally Posted by rjt721

When did Duncan die?

Huh?

[rjt721]

Originally Posted by onlòóker

Huh?

Meaning that's the only way Lebron gets a ring this year.

[onlòóker]

Originally Posted by rjt721

Meaning that's the only way Lebron gets a ring this year.

Oh. Don't think so.

[isetcap]

If the Cavaliers get a Championship this year, then you can forget about all of this comparison discussion. Lebron would have to be considered the greatest of all time should they manage to finish off Detroit and then somehow take out the Spurs. If he does it, he would have single-handedly beaten the two best defensive teams in the league, one of which is this decade's dynasty while the other is pretty close.

[LargeMouthBass]

JJ, I think you owe LeBron couple BJs...

[jjgold]

Originally Posted by isetcap

If the Cavaliers get a Championship this year, then you can forget about all of this comparison discussion. Lebron would have to be considered the greatest of all time should they manage to finish off Detroit and then somehow take out the Spurs. If he does it, he would have single-handedly beaten the two best defensive teams in the league, one of which is this decade's dynasty while the other is pretty close.

That is true

I think though Spurs win 4-2

Lebron just has way too many college players around dhim.

[abacus30]

Lebron FINALLY has a couple good playoff games and everybody wants to annoint him the greatest ever. Ridiculous! I can't wait to watch the Spurs kick their ass... and I hate the Spurs.

[MaxDemo]

All the posters in this thread that say that Lebron is overrated need to check what they are missing about Lebron...

Why are people so negative?

LeBron only scored the last 25 points against 5 players, 29 of the last 30! Yet so many want to talk about Kobe or 'he's no Michael' 'he's no Magic' he's no Bird' ...ummm NO he is LeBron and he just destroyed the Detroit Pistons single handidly!



What were you doing at age 22?

27 ppg age 20
31 ppg age 21
27 ppg age 22

Michael Jordan did not win a playoff series til age 25, he also didn't shoot 3 point shots at all til much later than that...so why can't LeBron improve? Jordan most certainly improved his outside game as time passed.

Larry Bird at age 22 could not have dominated the Pistons by himself, no way no how. Bird was not even in the NBA at this age .

Magic , well Magic had Jabbar for starters, the 6 time MVP as your go to guy, can you imagine LeBron with Kareem? think Magic could have carried the Cavs? LMAO not a chance in hell.

Kobe Bryant , well at this same age Kobe won a title with 28 yr old Shaq and a cast of great team players around him,like Harper, Grant, Fox , Shaw, Horry and Fisher... not players like Larry Hughes and Shaw and Marshall they would not have even made that Lakers team.

He's 22 ,think about it... 29 of 30 when the entire team knows you are getting the ball, a pretty good team, a team that shut down Kobe and Shaq 3 years ago.

I dont thinkhe gets past the Spurs this year...but he is on his way to the 1st ring...I am a witness!!!

**Some of the info was taken from another site**

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by MaxDemo

Magic , well Magic had Jabbar for starters, the 6 time MVP as your go to guy, can you imagine LeBron with Kareem? think Magic could have carried the Cavs? LMAO not a chance in hell.

Well, Magic did NOT have Jabbar in game 7 of the 1980 NBA finals...on the road...at the age of 21....lined up at center...and promptly went for 42 pts, 15 rbs, 7 assts & 3 steals to win the title...still by far the greatest game ever played...INCLUDING Lebron's phenomenal effort last night.

Of course he could have carried the Cavs.

[onlòóker]

Originally Posted by isetcap

one of which is this decade's dynasty while the other is pretty close.

Spurs are no Dynasty. They have only 2 championships thus far (In the 2000's). Thats no dynasty. Even if they win this year, I still don't consider them one. Get a ring for each finger on one hand, in a decade, then we will talk. I don't see them getting a three peat to get to that 5.

[gridironguy]

I don't understand the hating on Lebron. So what if the media wants to anoint him, it's not his fault.

The kid is only 4 yrs removed from HS and has such poise, maturity, and crazy hoops skills. How about we all just enjoy watching a tremendous talent and not worry about what the media says..

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by gridironguy

I don't understand the hating on Lebron. So what if the media wants to anoint him, it's not his fault.

The kid is only 4 yrs removed from HS and has such poise, maturity, and crazy hoops skills. How about we all just enjoy watching a tremendous talent and not worry about what the media says..

You're dead-on. It's what the media does to us all. There's a constant emphasis that whatever is going on today is somehow the best, worst or otherwise most significant thing that has ever happened in the field being discussed. I believe it's done to make people think their lives are more important and less fleeting and insignificant than they truly are....y'know, give 'em the warm fuzzies. And inevitably, some people go "Hey, that's bullshit! Things were better back when so and so did such and such." And then we all get riled up debating it.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by onlòóker

Spurs are no Dynasty. They have only 2 championships thus far (In the 2000's). Thats no dynasty. Even if they win this year, I still don't consider them one. Get a ring for each finger on one hand, in a decade, then we will talk. I don't see them getting a three peat to get to that 5.

Let me qualify all this by clearly stating that there is no team in the NBA that I like less than the Spurs. I despise their brand of basketball...

Go back 10 years and you'll find that the Spurs have won 3 championships and this year will mark the fourth. They've been in the playoffs every year during that span and the only team they've really had problems with is the LA Lakers. The Lakers have also won 3 and they were definitely considered a dynasty during that run. 4 championships in 9 years leaves little question as to their dynastic qualities. I wish I could say otherwise, but at some point in time you've got to face the facts.

[MaxDemo]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

Well, Magic did NOT have Jabbar in game 7 of the 1980 NBA finals...on the road...at the age of 21....lined up at center...and promptly went for 42 pts, 15 rbs, 7 assts & 3 steals to win the title...still by far the greatest game ever played...INCLUDING Lebron's phenomenal effort last night.

Of course he could have carried the Cavs.

He did that against a Philly team that was 2nd place that year..2 games from the top spot. On the other hand King James did his against the top team in the East that played a much better defense than those 76'ers..

Some interesting stats for the year 1979-1980

Magic was the 3rd top scorer on his team that year behind Kareem and Wilkes. Averaged 24, 20 and 18 respectively.

King James was the top scorer this year on his team followed by Ilgauskas and Hughes. Averaged 31, 15, and 15 respectively.

To put in a much better perspective. Detroit had to only really worry about James and the guy still scores 29 of the last 30 points for his team....against a Detroit team that just couldn't stop 1 guy.

48 pts 9 reb 7 assists is great but here are other numbers people wont see:

2 turnovers in 58 minutes...

that is INCREDIBLE for someone handling the ball as often as he was. he took charge of every posession and for him to only commit 2 turnovers in 58 minutes of intense defense is remarkable

4 FTs in the 4th quarter and 2 overtimes

Lebron did it by himself, there was no Wade-like bailing out by the refs here. he hit those jumpers, made those dunks, created everything on his own and didn't need any refs to give him any calls.

7 assists out of 13 team assists

this is what separates Lebron from Magic. he trusts his teammates, he creates and draws double-teams to find them wide open shots, yet he still has the ability to take over the game at the end.


JMO

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by MaxDemo

this is what separates Lebron from Magic. he trusts his teammates, he creates and draws double-teams to find them wide open shots, yet he still has the ability to take over the game at the end.


JMO

Your debate was pretty strong until this end piece. Did Magic not "trust his teammates"? Did Magic not "draw double teams to find them wide open shots"? Did Magic not "still have the ability to take over the game at the end"? If so, you were watching a different Magic than me. The one I'm talking about was Earvin Johnson out of Michigan State.

[MaxDemo]

Originally Posted by jjgold

10 points in a huge playoff game

lol, your getting worse Son

JJ Gold it was you back in November that started a thread in the Basketball area that said

Lebron Way Better Than Jordan At The Same Age

and so quick to discount the younger james so quick. Not mean to bust your balls just found it kinda ironic

[onlòóker]

Originally Posted by isetcap

Let me qualify all this by clearly stating that there is no team in the NBA that I like less than the Spurs. I despise their brand of basketball...

Go back 10 years and you'll find that the Spurs have won 3 championships and this year will mark the fourth. They've been in the playoffs every year during that span and the only team they've really had problems with is the LA Lakers. The Lakers have also won 3 and they were definitely considered a dynasty during that run. 4 championships in 9 years leaves little question as to their dynastic qualities. I wish I could say otherwise, but at some point in time you've got to face the facts.

I don't feel 4 championships in 10 years is a dynasty, you have to won half the decade at least to qualify in my book. But to each their own. And this decade, they only have 2 championships, so they will only have 3, "if" they win this year.

[MaxDemo]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

Your debate was pretty strong until this end piece. Did Magic not "trust his teammates"? Did Magic not "draw double teams to find them wide open shots"? Did Magic not "still have the ability to take over the game at the end"? If so, you were watching a different Magic than me. The one I'm talking about was Earvin Johnson out of Michigan State.

But there is a big difference between trusting Jabbar, Cooper, Wilks and so forth...compared to Ilgauskas and Hughes and whats the names of the other players on his team??

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by MaxDemo

JJ Gold it was you back in November that started a thread in the Basketball area that said

Lebron Way Better Than Jordan At The Same Age

and so quick to discount the younger james so quick. Not mean to bust your balls just found it kinda ironic

If you know JJ, then you know he's about as consistent as the American public. It's a good argument for why we have a representative democracy in the US as opposed to a system reliant upon poll-based decision making.

[MaxDemo]

Originally Posted by isetcap

If you know JJ, then you know he's about as consistent as the American public. It's a good argument for why we have a representative democracy in the US as opposed to a system reliant upon poll-based decision making.

If he is the same JJ Gold that used to post at therx then yes I know him...not as well as most but remember his threads there.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by MaxDemo

But there is a big difference between trusting Jabbar, Cooper, Wilks and so forth...compared to Ilgauskas and Hughes and whats the names of the other players on his team??

If your definition of Lebron "trusting his teammates" and "finding them wide open shots" consists of (from the 8:43 mark of the 4th quarter when he re-entered the game) him taking 14 of his team's 26 FG attempts and racking up exactly zero assists during that time frame then more power to you.

He played a phenomenal game, one of the best ever and he is well on his way to becoming one of the best players ever. That is all anybody should grant him, and it is plenty.

[jjgold]

Magic and Bird titles were inflated due to unreal talent aroud them

Magic just had to dump the ball into Worty and an automatic 2 points