[pags11]

Unbelievable...how much longer will these guys continue to try and steal people's money?...

[Dumb_lucK]

Hrm I wonder if they'll send me my $1.34 I still have in there.. Do you think they'll offer interest?

[magnavox]

They do not try to steal people's money.

[Santo]

Pags is an idiot. They continue to serve the ROTW fine, and indeed paid on their Canadian exit without problems from what I understand.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Remember that to most Americans (including our moron President) there IS no "rest of the world", just us.

[JRachel]

What is this "rest of the world" you speak of?

[Arilou]

I hear some teams play in "Toronto" but no one has ever actually been there...

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by JRachel

What is this "rest of the world" you speak of?

It's that not-so-mythical place where you still get paid same day by Bodog.

[tacomax]

Pags11 is definitely giving jjgold a run for his money with regard to posting quality.

[isetcap]

The Rest of the World is a small country off the coast of Who Gives a ****. Recently a large treasure was found there but beyond that nothing of value originates from that location. Some older people know it as the country of South Eurasiantausica but it truly is as insignificant as a grain of sand in the desert.

[freebie]

Originally Posted by tacomax

Pags11 is definitely giving jjgold a run for his money with regard to posting quality.

LoL hahaha

[Mudcat]

I have done some investigating and found that there are other currently operating, global businesses that also have websites that are up and running.

It's bloody amazing.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I have done some investigating and found that there are other currently operating, global businesses that also have websites that are up and running.

It's bloody amazing.

This is obviously the most blatant sign that all of these businesses are trying to steal our money!!!

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

I have done some investigating and found that there are other currently operating, global businesses that also have websites that are up and running.

It's bloody amazing.

Thanks for your investigative work, Mudcat.

[BeeGirl]

I owed about 700 to neteller around the time all the banking issues surrounding online gaming were going on. They emailed me a bunch of times about methods of payment. I finally went to clear it up and emailed them back to give them CC info to clear my account and all of a sudden they were telling me i cannot use a CC. I could pay with money order and that is it. I haven't heard anything from them since and that was months ago. Guess i'm off the hook.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by BeeGirl

Guess i'm off the hook.

It's always funny to me how quick people are to call sportsbooks thieves....and how even more quickly they rationalize theft of their own.

[sammyb]

Did a wire from neteller last week and It arrived in 3 days

Thank christ I am not american

[gotsteam]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

It's always funny to me how quick people are to call sportsbooks thieves....and how even more quickly they rationalize theft of their own.

Ya amazing isnt it.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by gotsteam

Ya amazing isnt it.

Yes, my sympathy lies with Neteller. I've always loved those guys!

[JoshW]

It is understandly frustrating to those in the US that our balances are still held and that are not being paid. I understand this is because the US is holding up the money, but one is still naturally frustrated that business is normal when tens of millions are owed.

[slacker00]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

It's always funny to me how quick people are to call sportsbooks thieves....and how even more quickly they rationalize theft of their own.

That's quite a bit to generalize about a person with 2 posts. Talk about being quick to rationalize.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by slacker00

That's quite a bit to generalize about a person with 2 posts. Talk about being quick to rationalize.

Ah, so it's not theft then? What better term would you offer for it when someone says they don't owe a debt because the creditor can't accept a CC payment? Somehow I don't think that argument would fly real well with my local.

[ion]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

Ah, so it's not theft then? What better term would you offer for it when someone says they don't owe a debt because the creditor can't accept a CC payment? Somehow I don't think that argument would fly real well with my local.

BeeGirl should pay Neteller only after Neteller pays all US customers unless she is not US customer. Neteller is not a creditor. Neteller charged 8.9% for InstaCash deposits so it only took 12 such transactions for Neteller to be ahead even if one transaction failed. That fee was that high because it was some kind of insurance, considering a simple EFT transaction was free. So the "insurance" shoud pay. Plus, Neteller is in no hurry to pay any US customer.

[Seattle Slew]

That 75-day window must be coming up soon to return US funds. Early June marks 75 days since March 21 press release.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by ion

BeeGirl should pay Neteller only after Neteller pays all US customers unless she is not US customer. Neteller is not a creditor. Neteller charged 8.9% for InstaCash deposits so it only took 12 such transactions for Neteller to be ahead even if one transaction failed. That fee was that high because it was some kind of insurance, considering a simple EFT transaction was free. So the "insurance" shoud pay.

What a relief! My CC company charges high interest rates! Guess they'll accept the argument you propose when I decide not to pay them....right?

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

What a relief! My CC company charges high interest rates! Guess they'll accept the argument you propose when I decide not to pay them....right?

Yes, I tell the same thing to my mortgage company who charges me 5.75% just so I can have a house. It doesn't cost them anything to let me use the money for a while so when I don't pay, I just tell them that they should collect from the 5.75% "insurance" fund they have set up. If I decide never to pay again it's no problem because everyone else is paying into the "insurance" fund also.

[ion]

You both fail to see the fundamental difference between a lender and Neteller. Neteller just transfered funds between the client bank account and their bank account. For normal EFT, there was no fee, because they credited the client Neteller account only when their bank received the funds from the client bank. For InstaCash, they credited the client Neteller account instantly, for a 8.9% fee. The fee was definitely not interest for a 2 days loan! It was to protect them against unforseen situations like the one happened with GeeGirl and also to make ridiculous profits.

If you compare a 4.45% daily rate with a 5.75% annual rate (equivalent to 0.015% daily rate) you must be living in a different world.

[ion]

Also, I didn't say BeeGirl should not pay, but to pay only after Neteller pays US customers, if BeeGirl is a US customer, which is only fair, since if BeeGirl had money in Neteller, she would have had to wait as well.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Originally Posted by ion

You both fail to see the fundamental difference between a lender and Neteller. Neteller just transfered funds between the client bank account and their bank account. For normal EFT, there was no fee, because they credited the client Neteller account only when their bank received the funds from the client bank. For InstaCash, they credited the client Neteller account instantly, for a 8.9% fee. The fee was definitely not interest for a 2 days loan! It was to protect them against unforseen situations like the one happened with GeeGirl and also to make ridiculous profits.

If you compare a 4.45% daily rate with a 5.75% annual rate (equivalent to 0.015% daily rate) you must be living in a different world.

I stand completely by my original remark about rationalizing theft. It's easy to do these days. Essentially you are rationalizing because you are deeming NT to be some sort of loan shark. I recommend trying the technique with a real loan shark and see how far it gets you.

The NT situation SUCKS, for all of us, for many reasons....and their customer service SUCKS for all of us, for many reasons...but the fact remains that the reason we don't have our money begins and ends with the letters DOJ. It is they who are the thieves that everybody finds it easier to accuse NT of being.

[pjesnik24]

I think it is stupid for US people to send money to neteller if neteller owes millions to US citizens. He should give the money to some friend who is owed by neteller and if neteller ever pays him the friend just gives him the money back.

[pjesnik24]

And yes, I would not have any problem to take money from neteller even I am not US citizen. Nor I would have problems to take money from WagerWeb or similar bookies.

[pico]

hard me to believe Bee's story. how do you owe neteller money? did you bounce a check?

[betplom]

Originally Posted by sammyb

Thank Christ I am not American

I too am glad you aren't American.

I thank Allah, Budda, & Kris Kringle that I am not American.

[isetcap]

Thank Christopher Roller that I am not American!

Wait, I AM an American. S H I T !!!

Hmmm, it's not so bad. I'm thinking that maybe it's OK that I'm an American! In fact, it feels great!

I'm sure that many people in this country are very unhappy to be Americans. I mean it's really tough surviving without Neteller. That's why they're sprinting in a mass exodus out of this Buddha forsaken place. It's really become quite a problem. For every person that leaves, we only have about 1350 people from other much more wonderful countries that try to come in, and those are just the people who are trying to do it legally.

The great thing about this country is that you don't have to be an American if you don't want to! It's up to you! You can leave and forfeit your citizenship whenever you like, and you don't even have to thank any divine power. As a matter of fact, it is most likely that no divine power will assist you in any way.

[slacker00]

Originally Posted by DrunkenLullaby

Ah, so it's not theft then? What better term would you offer for it when someone says they don't owe a debt because the creditor can't accept a CC payment? Somehow I don't think that argument would fly real well with my local.

In your original post, you implicated BeeGirl whining about being stiffed by a sportsbook. There is zero evidence to support this accusation.

IMO, BeeGirl appears to be a troll anyway. I don't think NT acts as a lender, but simply as a payment processor. BeeGirl's statement was simply put out there to stir the pot, which is all that trolls try to do.