[Hoja Verdes]

We'll no doubt be hearing a lot of that over the coming weeks as the crybabies start their crying.

My retort, summarized:

Anyone who would say such a thing is motivated by one of three reasons:

1. They had money on Texas and need an excuse for losing.
2. They hate/envy Alabama (Auburn fans for example), or are Texas fans.
3. They simply don't know a whole lot about the game of football.

Regardless, the reasons this crybaby statement are invalid are as follows:

1. If Texas would have won with their backup guy, Failbert, would it have been ok for Alabama to say "we would have beat them if McCoy would have played!" Of course not, that's ridiculous. Alabama had the #1 Defense in the country, so extrapolating McCoy's 2 completed passes before he went down to arrive at the conclusion that he would have performed well throughout the game is completely illogical. Nebraska game, anyone? If he would have gone down in the 2nd or 3rd quarter after going 9-of-12 passing, then you might have some semblance of an argument. But based on how early he went down, the logic jump is indefensible.

2. Mack Brown/Greg Davis threw the game away with the shovel pass at the end of the 2nd half. So as Bama began the 3rd quarter up 24-6, they immediately shifted into what we as NFL fans know as the "run the ball, burn the clock, preserve the lead and the win" offensive gameplan. Bama's playcalling throughout the entire 3rd quarter and half of the 4th quarter was ENTIRELY DICTATED by their big lead. Had things been different, i.e. Texas kneeling it at the end of the half, or McCoy being in the game, Bama would have been executing their original gameplan and would have taken more shots down the field, possibly leading to more points. So it's not like McCoy's injury and Alabama's lack of offense in the 3rd quarter are mutually exclusive...if 'a', then 'b'...it's really quite simple. But again, for someone that doesn't understand football and game/clock management, this doesn't occur to them.

[teaserpleaser]

colin cowherd is talking about this right now i think its funny of course it would have been a different game with Colt @ QB of course, but to say Texas was the right side is Crazy They got held to fgs with colt in there people seem to forget about that.

[Sam Odom]

Originally Posted by Hoja Verdes

3. They simply don't know a whole lot about the game of football.

ding , ding , ding!

[SBR_John]

Would have been a great game but that's football. Texas benefited when Bradford went down in almost the same point of the game.

[teaserpleaser]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Would have been a great game but that's football. Texas benefited when Bradford went down in almost the same point of the game.

This was a make up game for me had sooners vs Byu that game

[brock]

would have been 14-0 or 10-0 if Mccoy dont go down bama may have abandon the run

[Hoja Verdes]

Originally Posted by brock

would have been 14-0 or 10-0 if Mccoy dont go down bama may have abandon the run

This is the kind of sh1t I'm talking about.^^^

McCoy went down on a 1st down sack, so the next play was 2nd and 10 at the Bama 11.

So above, you're essentially saying that you "know" Texas would have scored a TD on either 2nd or 3rd down from the 11. Do you see the lack of logic in statements like this now? They would just as likely have kicked a FG with McCoy in the game.

And guess what else....if McCoy's still in the game, they likely DON'T kick on onside kick on the ensuing kickoff. You're making the assumption that they not only do so, but also RECOVER it. As if that's not enough, you assume that they would also then score again! Against Bama's defense...really? Are you taking yourself and these comments seriously?

All of these suppositions and assumptions are based on logical implications that clearly do not exist.

[Sam Odom]

Originally Posted by Hoja Verdes

McCoy went down on a 1st down sack, so the next play was 2nd and 10 at the Bama 11.

Just as likely (since we are all guessing) on 2nd down McCoy throws a pick6 and Al leads 7-0

[smitch124]

I have to quote Joaquin Andujar on this subject, "There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'"

[yahoonino]

bottom line texas in my opinion would have won hand down,,,,,the second string qb look terrible ,and still the game was 24 to 21 with 6 minute left,,,

[Sam Odom]

yahoonino , honestly do you think bama's adjusted game plan would have been the same or for that matter Texas' if McCoy played 4 qts?

[G's pks]

Texas did not have the heart or defense to stop Ingram...

[Hoja Verdes]

Originally Posted by yahoonino

bottom line texas in my opinion would have won hand down,,,,,the second string qb look terrible ,and still the game was 24 to 21 with 6 minute left,,,

As you said, that's your opinion. You're certainly entitled to it. Just don't get confused and think that such an opinion means, definitively, that Texas would have won with McCoy. Because I, for example, disagree, and believe that even with McCoy, they still would have lost. This is of course just my opinion only. So we can agree to disagree, because there is no way to determine who is correct.

[yahoonino]

whe will never know/////

[pavyracer]

I have heard this arguement before. People said when Zidane head butted Materazzi and got send off in WC 06 final that France would have won if he wasn't send off. Injuries, ejections are part of the game. Until McCoy got hurt Texas hasn't score a TD. They couldn't score a TD from the 2 yard line with McCoy in the game. Alabama scored 37 points. Where was the Texas defense to stop them? McCoy only threw 1 TD vs OU and Nebraska. McCoy got sacked 9 times vs Nebraska. Where was the Texas OL to prevent these sacks?

[bradthebloke]

Originally Posted by Hoja Verdes

This is the kind of sh1t I'm talking about.^^^

McCoy went down on a 1st down sack, so the next play was 2nd and 10 at the Bama 11.

So above, you're essentially saying that you "know" Texas would have scored a TD on either 2nd or 3rd down from the 11. Do you see the lack of logic in statements like this now? They would just as likely have kicked a FG with McCoy in the game.

And guess what else....if McCoy's still in the game, they likely DON'T kick on onside kick on the ensuing kickoff. You're making the assumption that they not only do so, but also RECOVER it. As if that's not enough, you assume that they would also then score again! Against Bama's defense...really? Are you taking yourself and these comments seriously?

All of these suppositions and assumptions are based on logical implications that clearly do not exist.

were you even watching the game? that wasnt an onside kick on the next kickoff. they were trying to avoid alabama's stud. did it the whole game. Credibility shot.

[mmike032]

If Texas had the #1 rush defense in the nation they would have won.
but they dont, just #1 in the Big 12

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

Originally Posted by bradthebloke

were you even watching the game? that wasnt an onside kick on the next kickoff. they were trying to avoid alabama's stud. did it the whole game. Credibility shot.

correct.

Originally Posted by Hoja Verdes

3. They simply don't know a whole lot about the game of football.

seems like you're throwing stones from inside your glass house.

[vyomguy]

We will never know....that doesnt mean alabama is better than texas...or texas is better than alabama...we will never know.

[sjm5122]

I don't think it is crybaby for people to say Texas would have won the game if Colt had been in. They probably wouldn't have put money on Texas if they didn't believe that. However injuries are part of the game, and part of gambling. I had money on Texas and I can say I thought I had the right side of that until Colt got injured, Texas was rolling, Bama looked shocked. When he got hurt, the demeanors changed. But maybe Texas still loses with Colt staying in, who knows.

[tullamore]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda

[xfrozenx]

Does no one else understand that Texas was rolling through Bama at the 1st of the game when McCoy was in? His WR's really clicked with him. Not so much with Failbert, lol. He made lots of mistakes too which gave Bama lots of points. Fumble here and there and an interception....the game had too many turnovers. But hey, it's football. It was still a good game but I truly do think McCoy is a good QB and Texas really would've rolled Bama if McCoy was in and he should have been let back in the game like him and his family wanted.

Oh, and I didn't have money on this game.

[SexyMit]

So the fact they were 1st and goal with him in the game and they still didn't score a TD, would have been different the rest of the game? Come on now. Finally someone else agrees with me,I had Bama beating Texas with McCoy playing.

[sjm5122]

Sexymit, he wasn't in the game when they were on the 1. He left after the rush for no gain at the 11, then they rushed for 10 yds down to the 1.

[PureGuava]

Correct

[PingPong]

Originally Posted by sjm5122

Sexymit, he wasn't in the game when they were on the 1. He left after the rush for no gain at the 11, then they rushed for 10 yds down to the 1.

right, then there were offsetting penalties and the ref said to move the ball half the distance to the goal, but they moved it back a yard or two.

[mmike032]

were all the dropped passes by the Texas recievers also b/c McCoy wasnt in the game?
Did Bama roll over the Texas defense in the first half cause Colt wasnt playing?

did Bama play comservative in the 2nd half cause Colt wasnt playing? yes

[sjm5122]

mmike, to say that losing your starting QB 5 mins into the game doesn't effect all those things is ignorant. The announcers even commented on how the receivers seemed to stop finishing routes and looked disinterested. Alabama did have some nice drives in the first half, but that was also aided by Texas not wanting (or being able) to throw in that half, and having a ton of 3 and outs which gave Texas some nice field position.

[KKoz9]

Originally Posted by Hoja Verdes

We'll no doubt be hearing a lot of that over the coming weeks as the crybabies start their crying.

My retort, summarized:

Anyone who would say such a thing is motivated by one of three reasons:

1. They had money on Texas and need an excuse for losing.
2. They hate/envy Alabama (Auburn fans for example), or are Texas fans.
3. They simply don't know a whole lot about the game of football.

Regardless, the reasons this crybaby statement are invalid are as follows:

1. If Texas would have won with their backup guy, Failbert, would it have been ok for Alabama to say "we would have beat them if McCoy would have played!" Of course not, that's ridiculous. Alabama had the #1 Defense in the country, so extrapolating McCoy's 2 completed passes before he went down to arrive at the conclusion that he would have performed well throughout the game is completely illogical. Nebraska game, anyone? If he would have gone down in the 2nd or 3rd quarter after going 9-of-12 passing, then you might have some semblance of an argument. But based on how early he went down, the logic jump is indefensible.

2. Mack Brown/Greg Davis threw the game away with the shovel pass at the end of the 2nd half. So as Bama began the 3rd quarter up 24-6, they immediately shifted into what we as NFL fans know as the "run the ball, burn the clock, preserve the lead and the win" offensive gameplan. Bama's playcalling throughout the entire 3rd quarter and half of the 4th quarter was ENTIRELY DICTATED by their big lead. Had things been different, i.e. Texas kneeling it at the end of the half, or McCoy being in the game, Bama would have been executing their original gameplan and would have taken more shots down the field, possibly leading to more points. So it's not like McCoy's injury and Alabama's lack of offense in the 3rd quarter are mutually exclusive...if 'a', then 'b'...it's really quite simple. But again, for someone that doesn't understand football and game/clock management, this doesn't occur to them.

or

#4 People who had no money on the line or allegiance to either school recognizes the reality that Texas outfought and outplayed Alabama for most of the game and were one drive away from winning outright with a true freshman QB, 5 turnovers and several bad non-calls against them.

Bama fans enjoy the co-championship with Boise and live with the fact that Texas showed twice the heart in this game.

[statnerds]

i wonder how many plays the OC lost when McCoy went down. much easier to defend an offense that is running aobut 15 different plays. and I bet Bama. and Over in the 2nd Half.

you must not much about football if you are assuming that the Texas offense ran the exact plays and game plan without McCoy.

[Flopa3]

I don't know why any of you are even arguing this game. Its over history has been written.
Simple point is it was a good game had MCcoy not gotten hurt it would have been a better game. You can argue Tx is better with MCcoy, you can argue Bama worked the clock or really reach and say Tx stopped Bama. Maybe tx has a better game with MCcoy in but if you believe Bama could have not have put a lot more points on the board the 2nd half you are truly kidding yourself Tx didn't stop Bama nor were they going to.

I think we would have seen the same outcome with a win by maybe a FG

That's just my nobody 2 cents.

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by teaserpleaser

colin cowherd is talking about this right now i think its funny of course it would have been a different game with Colt @ QB of course, but to say Texas was the right side is Crazy They got held to fgs with colt in there people seem to forget about that.

Perhaps you. Colt was already out. Very reasonable to say that they would have scored a Touchdown on that first drive, if you have seen enough football...Unless you want to get all Fifth-Grade teacher about it and say "well, I've seen some crazy things happen so you never know."

The crazy thing that happened was Colt got hurt, fair enough. But, IF Colt was in there and there was a live betting prop of "Does Texas score a TD on this drive?" I am hammering it to anything up to -250.

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by teaserpleaser

This was a make up game for me had sooners vs Byu that game

You are all over the place Teaser, I believe he is talking about the Oklahoma-Texas Game.

[Pecos Bill]

Texas lost because of bad play calling and wide recievers with no hands.

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I have heard this arguement before. People said when Zidane head butted Materazzi and got send off in WC 06 final that France would have won if he wasn't send off. Injuries, ejections are part of the game. Until McCoy got hurt Texas hasn't score a TD. They couldn't score a TD from the 2 yard line with McCoy in the game. Alabama scored 37 points. Where was the Texas defense to stop them? McCoy only threw 1 TD vs OU and Nebraska. McCoy got sacked 9 times vs Nebraska. Where was the Texas OL to prevent these sacks?

Texas at 13:01TEXALA1st and 10 at ALA 37Colt McCoy pass complete to Jordan Shipley for 5 yards to the Alab 32.002nd and 5 at ALA 32Colt McCoy pass complete to Malcolm Williams for 4 yards to the Alab 28. 3rd and 1 at ALA 28Cody Johnson rush for 1 yard to the Alab 27 for a 1ST down. 1st and 10 at ALA 27Tre' Newton rush for 16 yards to the Alab 11 out-of-bounds for a 1ST down. 1st and 10 at ALA 11Colt McCoy rush for no gain to the Alab 11. 2nd and 10 at ALA 11Timeout TEXAS, clock 10:54. 2nd and 10 at ALA 11D.J. Monroe rush for 10 yards to the Alab 1 for a 1ST down. 1st and Goal at ALA 1TEXAS penalty 4 yard illegal formation accepted, ALABAMA penalty 3 yard personal foul accepted, no play. 1st and Goal at ALA 2Cody Johnson rush for no gain to the Alab 2. 2nd and Goal at ALA 2Cody Johnson rush for 1 yard to the Alab 1. 3rd and Goal at ALA 1Garrett Gilbert pass incomplete to Antwan Cobb. 4th and Goal at ALA 1Hunter Lawrence 18 yard field goal GOOD.


Sadly, McCoy never saw the two. Off-sides penalty was huge...Y'all can add that to your paper-thin case.