[pico]

more precisely. does anyone know a sportsbook that has more events listed than pinnaclesports?

i have trouble finding kahzahstan hockey game or russian soccer from the other sportsbooks.

[durito]

maybe betfair

[moonbeam]

more precisely. does anyone know a sportsbook that has more events listed than pinnaclesports?

i have trouble finding kahzahstan hockey game or russian soccer from the other sportsbooks.

nearly every european sportsbook has more events listed than pinnacle

[pico]

nearly every european sportsbook has more events listed than pinnacle

which ones do you recommend?

[moonbeam]

most european books have russian soccer.

in my opinion good european books are:

Unibet: 93% payout and no limitation after placin a few bets. The most underrated european bookie for me.

paddypower: high limits, average odds, and you can place 1000 Euro even if you are limited

bwin: widest range in bets, but low odds and fast in limitation

stanjames: average odds, good limits and slow in limitation.

But... of course this list is shit.

The real secret is to know how to use which book in which sports..

[pico]

most european books have russian soccer.

in my opinion good european books are:

Unibet: 93% payout and no limitation after placin a few bets. The most underrated european bookie for me.

paddypower: high limits, average odds, and you can place 1000 Euro even if you are limited

bwin: widest range in bets, but low odds and fast in limitation

stanjames: average odds, good limits and slow in limitation.

But... of course this list is shit.

The real secret is to know how to use which book in which sports..

what does fast in limitations mean?

thanks for the list. unibet and paddypower looks nice, but i like to see american odds...man, time to bring out my calculator

[gummo]

5dimes has russian soccer

[pico]

5dimes has russian soccer

where to begin

okay, 5dimes is ranked pretty high and it is recommend by most people. but if you compare 5dimes to pinnacle...there is no comparison at all. first 5dimes software sucks ass...i think i can make a better webpage when i was in highschool. second 5dimes has a 5k limit and you have to ask the line manager for higher limits. and 5dimes events are mostly major events. if you check the events on pinnacle. it pretty much has everything...even kahzastan soccer and hong kong soccer. i even see events from countries that i never heard of...and i am pretty good with geography. so 5dimes is good, but if you're living outside the USA, then i doubt you'll even waste your time there.

i did hear from my friends that 5dimes has some unique props, but the vigs on those are pretty high...not smart bets.

[Gorzy]

Best european sportsbooks :

high limits, average odds and more events listed than pinnaclesports

EXPEKT

VICTOR CHANDLER

STAN JAMES

More events listed than pinnaclesports but fast in limitation

BWIN

BET365

10BET

More events listed than pinnaclesports but low odds:

LADBROKES

WILLIAM HILL

GAMEBOOKERS

INTERWETTEN



Best World Sportbook :

Pinnacle sports

[pico]

Best european sportsbooks :

high limits, average odds and more events listed than pinnaclesports

EXPEKT

VICTOR CHANDLER

STAN JAMES

More events listed than pinnaclesports but fast in limitation

BWIN

BET365

10BET

More events listed than pinnaclesports but low odds:

LADBROKES

WILLIAM HILL

GAMEBOOKERS

INTERWETTEN



Best World Sportbook :

Pinnacle sports

thanks man, great list. like what they say in finance, don't put all your eggs in basket....in the sportsbook industry it is called, "don't lose all your money to one sportsbook"

[pico]

Best european sportsbooks :
there are two J1 league soccer games starting in an hour. i checked those sites and this is what i found

these are the two events coming up: (cut and pasted from pinnacle)

Sat 5/12 13 Kashima Antlers pk and -0.5 1.943 OVER 2.5 1.909
02:59 AM 14 Jubilo Iwata pk and +0.5 1.980 UNDER 2.5 2.000

Sat 5/12 16 FC Tokyo pk 1.962 OVER 2.5 1.990
02:59 AM 17 JEF United Ichihara pk 1.962 UNDER 2.5 1.917



high limits, average odds and more events listed than pinnaclesports

EXPEKT ranked B+...it has both soccer games listed...i think i like this site

VICTOR CHANDLER ranked A-...only has one of the two game listed...i think i'll pass on this site

STAN JAMES ranked B-, none of the two games are listed. defintely pass

More events listed than pinnaclesports but fast in limitation

BWIN ranked C-...you're right, this site has a shitload of games. i found out they even listed singapore soccer game that is coming up. this game is not listed on pinnacle at all. i also love the software setup, telling you all the upcoming games. the C- ranking does makes me nervous though, so i'll think about it.

BET365 ranked A-...you're right, they have a lot of games (both J1 games are listed)...i don't like the software setup...not intuitive at all. pass

10BET ranked C+...lots of events (both J1 games are listed)...it homepage is simple and direct...pretty nice (but not nice looking). pass

More events listed than pinnaclesports but low odds:

LADBROKES ranked A+...what can i say, nice all around. i think i found the winner here btw, to the admins, the link to ladbrokes from your review site is broken.

WILLIAM HILL ranked A (or A-???) the recommendation site has no info about the location of the company. the website looks kind of shitty. and i found this on the SBR site: claiming that the sportsbook reduced the payout of a winning wager after the event had concluded. This is the second complaint of this nature in the past month. SBR to contact Will Hill on the players behalf. I think i'll pass on this site. (on the side note, have both J1 games listed)

GAMEBOOKERS ranked B-, nothing special about it. pass

INTERWETTEN ranked B-, pretty nice, they have live betting on J1 games...i can't believe it. the software is pretty nice and intuitive. a good site



well, that was just my preliminary research. so the sites i think are nice are (in ranking order)
1) Ladbrokes
2) Bwin
3) Interwetten
4) expekt (i think i'll have problem typing the correct url for this site if i signed up)

[vanman]

You`ll get limited at interwetten after about 6 bets.Pinnacle has got to be the best allround sportsbook taking into account sports available,no limits.William hill are a great book they take massive bets on major soccer leagues like english premiership,la liga.Stan james take sizeable bets also.

[pico]

thanks for the input. have you guys used ladbrokes and bwin?

and yes 300 dollar limit is really low. for soccer games i would like at least 1k min for most of the games and 100-300 for the really unknown games.

so when they decrease your limits how do you know? they send you an email and tell you or the wagering page tells you the limit?

p.s. if you're on a losing streak, i bet they'll raise you limit to 3k. haha

[Gorzy]

Picoman if you are intrested in a particular european sportsbooks you must think different.

I will try to explain you, in my not good english:

as you says with european sportbook you can´t put all your eggs in one basket, but you need several for suplir the lacks one from others.

For an european bettor is more simply because it includes the universe of american events in an alone Sportbook
You don´t need 5dimes, The Greek, Bodog, etc...if you have an account in Pinnacle.

For years I bet in all of them and never had a payout problem (with those of the list ).
William Hill for example is one of the 3 biggest in UK (great to say) an the case to wich you refer must have been very punctually.
They are in deficit cause low odds

Now ( and for the limits problem ) I can play only in Stan James ( southamerican soccer and tennis ) Expeckt ( european soccer and basket ) Ladbrokes ( tennis ) William Hill ( english soccer ).
Sometimes to complete a stake I use Gamebookers, 10Bet, Victor Chandler, Unibet, Eurobet, etc.

At the beginning while they do not limit your acount to ridiculous numbers, you can waste your time in friendly websites like:

Bwin, Bet365, Interwetten

[pico]

Picoman if you are intrested in a particular european sportsbooks you must think different.

I will try to explain you, in my not good english:

as you says with european sportbook you can´t put all your eggs in one basket, but you need several for suplir the lacks one from others.

For an european bettor is more simply because it includes the universe of american events in an alone Sportbook
You don´t need 5dimes, The Greek, Bodog, etc...if you have an account in Pinnacle.

For years I bet in all of them and never had a payout problem (with those of the list ).
William Hill for example is one of the 3 biggest in UK (great to say) an the case to wich you refer must have been very punctually.
They are in deficit cause low odds

Now ( and for the limits problem ) I can play only in Stan James ( southamerican soccer and tennis ) Expeckt ( european soccer and basket ) Ladbrokes ( tennis ) William Hill ( english soccer ).
Sometimes to complete a stake I use Gamebookers, 10Bet, Victor Chandler, Unibet, Eurobet, etc.

At the beginning while they do not limit your acount to ridiculous numbers, you can waste your time in friendly websites like:

Bwin, Bet365, Interwetten

you're right, once i am using pinnacle, i took all my money out from other US books. there is no comparision, pinnacle is the best. plus all the shit going on in the us right now, i feel a lot safer with a sportsbook that don't accept us customers.

i am little bit concerned with bwin,bet365 and interwetten's fast limit. have you figured out the method they use to change your limits? is it everytime you win, they decrease your limit and everytime you lose, they increase you limit?

[Gorzy]

No method, they try to identify players with good average of successes. Once identified, simply low limits to unacceptable levels inviting you to get lost.

They only want loosers bettors, they are like a big Casino.

As soon as they have identified you, never increase your low limits.You must go away.

Difficult for them to reveal yourself if you try not to ask for payments, I have verified it, doing with other accounts and manage to survive for a long time until I asked one.

PD if you sing in Bet 365 you can see under Bet Max in the bettig slip, the limit that they assign to you for every event of beginning.
It is not low and you could play for example in live events like nba usd 1500 over/under ( more than many Us ) , even if you are an unfortunate bettor I believe you could play any number.

[pico]

man, those euro books seems kind of bad. i think they deduct tax form your winning too. well, if you're good, just stick with the top ten from SBR reviews.

anyone has exeprience with Ladbroker? do they limit you fast?