[ukgaz]

How good are Professional handicapper service's like National Sports advisers and Madduxsports? Do they really make a profit like they advertise. Would anyone recommend them? Anyone use them

I mainly bet on Combat sports and Soccer and looking for that bit extra

Thanks

[jjgold]

They all lose period, Son they would not sell their picks if they were so good and just bet themselves.

[chano]

Originally Posted by jjgold

They all lose period, Son they would not sell their picks if they were so good and just bet themselves.

Exactly. They are all whores.

[dodif]

thats completely not true. you have to understand who is honest and puts time and effort into there plays. Or if they are an honest systems capper like BIG AL. Now no one is going to win every year. But if you select a pay capper just make sure they are legitimate. The two mentioned are garbage. But if u chos Dr bob then thats fine. He may win or he may lose but he doesnt give out both sides and actually tries to pick consistent winners. All ur doing when paying for guys picks like al or bobs is hoping u catch them on a good run or a good season. There not crooks. They seem it cuz they dont just win win win. But nobody does. For the most part (90%) i would just pick my own games. Thats the best way to go because its too hard to figure who is gonna win when u trying to find a pay capper.

[jjgold]

Dody they are frauds, most give both sides to games

Why would they sell picks if they were so good?

[Tchocky]

Maddux Sports aren't very good. I get their free picks and they're less than 50-50. I don't know of any good tout services.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by jjgold

They all lose period, Son they would not sell their picks if they were so good and just bet themselves.

There are so many that at least a few of them must have a winning year. Telling in advance who they will be is the problem. Very few will win year after year.

You wouldn't do any worse following one of the guys for free on many forums, their records are more honest, usually.

Fezzik has had a fine year, and is free.

[uPaxus]

NO such thing as a Pro Handicapper. Stay away.....

[ukgaz]

Thanks for the reply's guys. I'm going to stick with my own picks. I'm doing ok it's just that you read these websites and there is a temptation to get lured in by the talk of hundreds of units profit per season. I made a nice profit on my own last month in my first month of doing this seriously so I'll carry on as I was

[uPaxus]

Originally Posted by ukgaz

Thanks for the reply's guys. I'm going to stick with my own picks. I'm doing ok it's just that you read these websites and there is a temptation to get lured in by the talk of hundreds of units profit per season. I made a nice profit on my own last month in my first month of doing this seriously so I'll carry on as I was

Good choice My Friend and nice too hear that you had a good month.

[jjgold]

good job uks

[mavs1978]

the best i know is dr bob.. he works hard and hits 56% or so for his career... hes done well but his following is two large now... no bases though

[jjgold]

Bob does not even bet, does that tell you something?

[mavs1978]

that is actually not true, and no it tells me nothing

[mavs1978]

i love what people always say "if they had the winners they would not sell em.. well bob makes a 7 figure salary selling em and some people work better just making the objectve picks while when they get their own money involved it becomes more difficult

[durito]

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[jjgold]

Originally Posted by mavs1978

i love what people always say "if they had the winners they would not sell em.. well bob makes a 7 figure salary selling em and some people work better just making the objectve picks while when they get their own money involved it becomes more difficult

Good Point, I will give you that one

[sportsfanatic]

What do I think of pro handicapping services? Pure marketing at its best to entice the stupid.

[stump]

Never pay for picks.... it increases the vig too much, even if you have a legitimate honest reliable service.
If you are looking for help, I'd follow some of the handicappers/posters on this site and others, and use proper money management

[Preussen]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Why would they sell picks if they were so good?

I don't quite understand this argument. Why should someone who is a good capper not bet whatever amount he is comfortable with on a line he likes and then sell that pick to make additional money?

I don't think much of capping services and anybody who sells picks without betting himself is definitely not to be trusted. But just the fact alone that someone sells picks is, in my opinion, no reason to suspect him of incompetence or even fraud.

[Al Masters]

There touts, and a tout is someone who sells info or phoney info on games to betters. they live (most of them) by the motto a suckers born every minute.

anyone wanna buy my picks for tomorrows mlb... IM GOOD.lol

[rmcaj]

anyway ever try winningedge or wayne root?

[BSTPNM68]

There are good and bad handicappers--both who sell their picks and also those that post their picks for free.

There were a number of well known baseball posters last year--that provided their picks for free on therx and EOG--that thought they knew baseball but got their arses handed to them in 2006. They lost their followers a lot of money. One started chasing and another was actually posting statements pleading for good luck to come his way. So if you are going to follow a poster, look at the logic of the picks, make sure they are consistent with both their strategy and betting units through a losing streak and see the number of view the handicapper has. Big D and Illusion are good baseball handicappers here, albeit there are no writeups.

On the other hand, statements made by people about services that they are worthless is about 98-99% correct...BUT it is not 100% correct. It is quite simplistic to say that ALL of the handicapping services are crooks. I work 60 hours a week in a regular day time job and so I want a life outside of work...so I have used handicapping services in the past. In fact, I used a service since Valentines Day up until last nights championship game and I am up about 40 units (betting 1 unit more than 95% of the time). The fact of the matter is that if you are going to utilize a service there are few red flags/tips I am going to provide:

(1) A good handicapper is SOMEONE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FIND YOU. (i..e, avoid marketers such as Maddux, Wayne Root, NSA). The analogy used with sportsbooks is analogous to handicappers--avoid marketers. For example, WSEX and Pinnacle are superior sportsbooks to both Bodog and Sportsbook.com

(2) Avoid anyone that focuses on tooting their horn on football records, especially the NFL. There are only 30-40 bets strong bets in the NFL, so this tactic is focusing on the naive. Keep an eye on someone that focuses on obscure sports such as tennis, WNBA, Arena, WNCAA

(3) Avoid anyone where you are paying more than 1% of your wager per pick.

(4) Avoid anyone that shows up on ESPN or any other marketing conduit. In fact, I will go further: ignore anything you see or hear on ESPN.

(5) Avoid anyone that states they have a greater than 60% long-term record in the non-moneyline sports such as hoops and football. Greater than 60% just does not happen in the long-term.

(6) Avoid anyone that does not provide an address, e-mail or phone number on their website.

(7) Avoid anyone that bets more than 15-20% of a card. For example, if there 10 baseball games, more than 2 picks is probably too many. If a handicapper decides to pass on a full 15 game card in MLB, consider that a positive. Avoid if you think the handicapper is forcing picks and not finding value.

[raiders72002]

There are a thousand touts. One of them is bound to have a great year and then have a couple of more just because of the odds. Take a look at a binomial distribution chart.

It's similar to the posters at the RX. One guy gets hot and all of a sudden he's a god. The best handicappers are the pros, not the touts.

[raiders72002]

(7) if there 10 baseball games, more than 2 picks is probably too many.

amateurs should follow this rule but any time you find value then play the game. It doesn't matter if you play 50% of the games on the board.

[BSTPNM68]

Originally Posted by raiders72002

amateurs should follow this rule but any time you find value then play the game. It doesn't matter if you play 50% of the games on the board.

True, Raiders. It would have been better stated if I said avoid handicappers if you feel they are forcing picks. Thanks, I think I will edit that.

[BuddyBear]

Raiders is right....

That being the case, a few touts I've noticed that are honest (mind you, not necessarily win, but honest) are:

Steve Fezzik
Dr. Bob
Big Al
Marc Lawrence
Dave Cokin

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by mavs1978

that is actually not true, and no it tells me nothing

Dr. Bob does not bet on sports.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by BSTPNM68

(5) Avoid anyone that states they have a greater than 55% long-term record in the non-moneyline sports such as hoops and football. Greater than 55% just does not happen in the long-term.

FYP

[imgv94]

Originally Posted by BSTPNM68

There are good and bad handicappers--both who sell their picks and also those that post their picks for free.

There were a number of well known baseball posters last year--that provided their picks for free on therx and EOG--that thought they knew baseball but got their arses handed to them in 2006. They lost their followers a lot of money. One started chasing and another was actually posting statements pleading for good luck to come his way. So if you are going to follow a poster, look at the logic of the picks, make sure they are consistent with both their strategy and betting units through a losing streak and see the number of view the handicapper has. Big D and Illusion are good baseball handicappers here, albeit there are no writeups.

On the other hand, statements made by people about services that they are worthless is about 98-99% correct...BUT it is not 100% correct. It is quite simplistic to say that ALL of the handicapping services are crooks. I work 60 hours a week in a regular day time job and so I want a life outside of work...so I have used handicapping services in the past. In fact, I used a service since Valentines Day up until last nights championship game and I am up about 40 units (betting 1 unit more than 95% of the time). The fact of the matter is that if you are going to utilize a service there are few red flags/tips I am going to provide:

(1) A good handicapper is SOMEONE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FIND YOU. (i..e, avoid marketers such as Maddux, Wayne Root, NSA). The analogy used with sportsbooks is analogous to handicappers--avoid marketers. For example, WSEX and Pinnacle are superior sportsbooks to both Bodog and Sportsbook.com

(2) Avoid anyone that focuses on tooting their horn on football records, especially the NFL. There are only 30-40 bets strong bets in the NFL, so this tactic is focusing on the naive. Keep an eye on someone that focuses on obscure sports such as tennis, WNBA, Arena, WNCAA

(3) Avoid anyone where you are paying more than 1% of your wager per pick.

(4) Avoid anyone that shows up on ESPN or any other marketing conduit. In fact, I will go further: ignore anything you see or hear on ESPN.

(5) Avoid anyone that states they have a greater than 60% long-term record in the non-moneyline sports such as hoops and football. Greater than 60% just does not happen in the long-term.

(6) Avoid anyone that does not provide an address, e-mail or phone number on their website.

(7) Avoid anyone that bets more than 15-20% of a card. For example, if there 10 baseball games, more than 2 picks is probably too many. If a handicapper decides to pass on a full 15 game card in MLB, consider that a positive. Avoid if you think the handicapper is forcing picks and not finding value.

Solid post...

[Poventino]

I'm not an expert in Pro Handicapping Service, but my understanding is that they give both sides of the game. This way they keep 50% of the subscribers.

[jjgold]

99% give both sides too games, they keep putting categories also on like 1 star, 2, star, gold rod, blue ribbons specials where one category will alwyas bet hot

It is all a scam

[Bill Dozer]

It doesn't hurt to read the write-ups on games you are already looking at. Tout stuff is great for adding or talking you out of a play. Most subscribers will lose even more than a tout who bets his plays since the player is likely to get a worse line. Plays from cappers like Dr. Bob that have weight with bettors are worth less and less every minute after they are released.

[Bill Dozer]

I think the best way to use other cappers is in a real-time forum thread discussion.

[jjgold]

Write ups are ok but I do think they can sway your opinion of the game.

I think if you put in your head write ups from touts are just for info they can be useful and you can pick up a few things from them.