[montan]

Hello ladies and gents.

I need an answer based on experience . I`m sure it is someone here that like to bet on soccer, so please let me know what sportsbook is good to bet on soccer.

i only know two. bwin and 365bet. I wanted to try bwin , but i`ve found out, on the internet, that it is run by couple of men that wore in jail for fraud and about 365 I found good and bat reviews on internet. Now I dont want to use either .

[pavyracer]

Best are pinnacle, 5Dimes, betphoenix, betus. Avoid bookmaker, dsi, bodog, betjam.

[Kaps]

pinny 5dimes

[demize21]

i like betusa, BetUs a little slow in my opinion, pinnacle i would use if allowed in USA i think thats the best IMHO im gonna try to open account there from my brazil pc and international CC but question is will i be able to access account once opened abroad in USA?

[mihaita666]

where are u from, usa ? if you aren't from usa, try betfair.

[diecast]

using betus and bodog in usa, so far so good. i like betus better, more options and a bit quicker on the lines.

[mihaita666]

for soccer, european bookies such as bwin, bet365, expekt, unibet and others, have even 100 betting option for a single soccer match

[demize21]

ive noticed that pinny is best i live in USA and have house in Brazil as well but spend most time in the states but Ive notice the better books are not U.S. friendly so im gonna have my wife sister go to my place in Brazil and open an account with my info there and see if i can access here hopefully it works

[mihaita666]

for soccer, us bookies aren't the best, correct.
bet365 is a good one, for live aswell

[montan]

Best are pinnacle, 5Dimes, betphoenix, betus. Avoid bookmaker, dsi, bodog, betjam.

tnx for the fast response.

where are u from, usa ? if you aren't from usa, try betfair.

I`m from Romania and i guess you are too. Betfair is known on internet as "betfarce". They have security issues. How many times did you cashout from them ? Be honest.

I dont know what pinny is , but i guess is the short for pinnacle. I only want to use two max.

Did you guys have of had problems whit any of these Sb : betfair , bet365, pinnacle, bwin, 5dimes? I suppose these are the most popular .

[jw]

5Dimes & Betphoenix get 95% of my Soccer plays.

[mihaita666]

and avoid bet-at-home...small odds, damn small odds, for most of the sports.

[mariomonte]

I`m from Romania

The best book depends on your needs and stakes.
However, assuming you want to make serious money from value betting, you definitely need SBOBet, 188bet, Pinnacle and Betfair. Everything else is optional.
Of course, if you want to turn millionaire by hitting your 5€ 20 team parlays, the answer is completely different.

[jayc88]

pinny betphoenix thegreek

[montan]

Ok. I decided to go with PinnacleSports for the moment. I see there are not to many guys with experience here..
I wanted to know more about: bwin, bet365, betfair.
PLEASE respond only from experience, not from what you heard. Respond if you got paid more then a couple of times from these three and the sum was bigger the $200, $300, because the internet there are many negative comments about these three sb. I just want to clarify which of these are/is the real deal. I see many commercial on tv with them and on the internet is a total different story.

[aneurysm00]

Never had a problem with betfair. I've withdrawn upwards of $1,000 multiple times (Though the last time I did this was couple of months ago).

Bwin and Bet365 will both limit your betting amounts the moment you start winning big.
At Bet365, I was limited to max $5 bets after I put down $1,000 on a Bundesliga game. At Bwin, it took longer - but after 3-4 months, I was limited to around $150 per bet.

Pinnacle is the best sportsbook out there. Reliable, good odds, and very fast payouts. The only thing that sucks is their ancient site design.

[durito]

sbobet
pinnacle

[Dunder]

If you are not American

Pinnacle 9/10
SBOBet 9/10
Betfair 9/10

If you are American

BetPhoenix 7/10

[magynuck]

I bet a LOT of soccer.

Sharpest=toughest to beat

1. SBO

2. Pinny

3. Betfair( exchange )

4. 188

5. Bet Phoenix

6. Ias

Weakest lines= easiest to beat

1. Bet 365 ( limited to microscopic levels 1 week)

2. Bwin (shown door 3 days)

3. Stan James ( all bets phone in 3 days/6 months door)

4. Expekt ( 1 week limited)

5. Bet Cris...HUGE juce but must have out (limits halved and no betpoints)

6. 5 dimes (limits cut and delay)

7. Party (limits cut)

8. ABC

9. Greek

[Karayilan9]

There is no best or worst book, have multiple accounts in different regions of the world and you can shop around for great sometimes incredible deals.

[demize21]

i use 2 main books and have a few others for certain sports etc

[SRBI]

In case any US bettors want to know,

Only three US based bettors that are the top books IMO:

5Dimes:
Best US based book BY FAR for soccer with best lines, prop bets, almost identical payout service as BM with even more options.

Bookmaker:
Best book in terms of deposit/payout, etc, but they jack soccer lines up which ends up losing much profit in the long run.

Matchbook:
Exchange Betting, but awful game selection, only major leagues like England, Germany, Italy, Spain.

[montan]

anybody else had experience with these sb : bwin, bet365, betfair?
can you gimme a quick response based on your exp?

[Dunder]

anybody else had experience with these sb : bwin, bet365, betfair?
can you gimme a quick response based on your exp?

Both Bwin and Bet365 are fine for recreational players. They are solid and they will pay you. If you in anyway sharp however, and as other posters have mentioned, you can expect your betting limits to be cut quickly. The odds/juice are not competitive with Pinnacle/SBOBet but they are generally slower to move them.

Betfair is not a bookmaker, it is a betting exchange. It is by far the biggest such exchange in the world and is more is bet here than than with any traditional bookmaker. You will not have any trouble being paid here either. The basic odds on most events come with juice which averages (0.2%), however you are charged a commission on wining bets which goes on a sliding scale but starts at 5%. If you are very successful over a period of time, you also need to familiarise yourself with the "Premium Charge".

[demize21]

bet phoenix is my favorite i get money tranfers/checks up to 10k within 3-5 buisiness days but i set these standards up when i start using a book if you tend to play large you have more control than you think especially when you threaten to bring business elsewhere just my experiance with my books i use 2 main bet phoenix and betusa (mainly for 1H/2H as well as Live Action plays) than i use matchnook for american footbal straight wagers wheni looking for lowest vigs as for european books i do not have opinion on them since havent used as of yet but when i travel to my house in brazil next month i will setup an account at pinny since ive noticed its the best rated among players.....
if your a serious gambler i would recommend using more than one book not one has everythink your looking for in my experiance opinion etc.....

[montan]

Both Bwin and Bet365 are fine for recreational players. They are solid and they will pay you. If you in anyway sharp however, and as other posters have mentioned, you can expect your betting limits to be cut quickly. The odds/juice are not competitive with Pinnacle/SBOBet but they are generally slower to move them.

Betfair is not a bookmaker, it is a betting exchange. It is by far the biggest such exchange in the world and is more is bet here than than with any traditional bookmaker. You will not have any trouble being paid here either. The basic odds on most events come with juice which averages (0.2%), however you are charged a commission on wining bets which goes on a sliding scale but starts at 5%. If you are very successful over a period of time, you also need to familiarise yourself with the "Premium Charge".

Ok. i`m a noob on sportbook(betting online), but i bet offline a lot, most on soccer.
My question is what is sb exchange, cuz i dont understand?
My sec q is , if i win bets on betfair , i will be charged every time? Where can i find more about this? I just joined betfair.

[Gemoka]

Ok. i`m a noob on sportbook(betting online), but i bet offline a lot, most on soccer.
My question is what is sb exchange, cuz i dont understand?
My sec q is , if i win bets on betfair , i will be charged every time? Where can i find more about this? I just joined betfair.

You arent betting against a book. The odds you see are what other people have put up. Betfair just act as a middle man and take a % of your wiinnings, starts out at 5% on winning bets, you get charged on net winnings not stake, more you bet lower it goes
Betdaq has lower commision but not so much liquidity.

[montan]

You arent betting against a book. The odds you see are what other people have put up. Betfair just act as a middle man and take a % of your wiinnings, starts out at 5% on winning bets, you get charged on net winnings not stake, more you bet lower it goes
Betdaq has lower commision but not so much liquidity.

so if bet on $5 Monaco "Lay", it means i bet that Monaco will not win and if they dont win, i win $5 x 3.75 , and from that they will charge 5% ?

[Gemoka]

No you win the £5 you have staked -What you have to remember when laying is you can only win what you stake.
if Monaco wins you lose 13.75

If Monaco dont win you get charged 5% of your profit which is £5

[Dunder]

so if bet on $5 Monaco "Lay", it means i bet that Monaco will not win and if they dont win, i win $5 x 3.75 , and from that they will charge 5% ?

If we use Monaco as the example, then:

You bet on Monaco to win ($5) (back)
Odds are 3.65
If they do not win you lose $5

If they win, you win 2.65 x $5 ($13.25) and you get your $5 stake back.
You pay commission of $0.66 (5% of $13.25)

You bet on Monaco NOT to win (lay)
Odds are 3.75

If they do not win, you win $5
You pay commission of $0.25

If they win you lose 2.75 x $5 ($13.75)

[Gemoka]

You explained it better than me Dunder-you have to be British using the words "when I can be arsed"

GL winning at it. I was brought up on and I hate the fricking thing when it
comes to betting on it.

[Dunder]

You explained it better than me Dunder-you have to be British using the words "when I can be arsed"

GL winning at it. I was brought up on and I hate the fricking thing when it
comes to betting on it.