[jjgold]

I am talking about games even at -280 so the takeback would be +270?

[slash]

LOL, let me know if you find such a book

[jjgold]

Well then Slash no one offers a true dime line in bases because in my above example that is what it means.

[austintx05]

no book offers a dimeline that high...

do you really think a book would release -990/+980?

If you ran a book, would YOU?

[wack]

no book offers a dimeline that high...

do you really think a book would release -990/+980?

If you ran a book, would YOU?

Don't recall any matchups above +400 last season, but that's not really relevant given that even +270/-280 is a tiny tiny margin.

Would you prefer it if they said 2.5% margin rather than Dime Line? Doesn't exactly trip off the tongue and the majority wont have a clue what you mean!

[Ganchrow]

VIP, for one, breaks its dimelines at -161, but even at a market of -161/+146, they're still charging lower vig than at -105/-105 (2.283% vs. 2.381%). However at -175/+155, which is quite an early break to 20c for a dimeline shop, they charge a somewhat hefty 2.773% vig.)

Just as wack says, the important point is that it's considerably more important to consider percentage vig rather than vig nominally measure in cents.

[compaqDikk]

I am talking about games even at -280 so the takeback would be +270?

i hear HollyBull has this down to a sciense. he's the guy that understands the concept of -450 yankees

[raiders72002]

What guys said above about % being the important factor, not cents. I've seen many times in the past where SBRJohn and Dozer have been confused about this when determining if a line is bad or not.

I've seen them think that a 4 point line being off in football is a better line then a line where the consensus line is at -600 but listed at -800 because their math is flawed. John surprises me because he's a card counter in BJ and decent poker player. I think he lies about this.

[Bill Dozer]

I think PlayTheScore had a dimeline like that right before they stiffed everyone JJ. Last book to do it if I recall.

[raiders72002]

I think PlayTheScore had a dimeline like that right before they stiffed everyone JJ. Last book to do it if I recall.

[SBR_John]

What guys said above about % being the important factor, not cents. I've seen many times in the past where SBRJohn and Dozer have been confused about this when determining if a line is bad or not.

I've seen them think that a 4 point line being off in football is a better line then a line where the consensus line is at -600 but listed at -800 because their math is flawed. John surprises me because he's a card counter in BJ and decent poker player. I think he lies about this.

Yea I remember you backing one of those crap books in a bad line dispute but not the specifics. We see a lot of these and no matter if they got posters on the payroll we call them as they are. Most the times its common sense based on years of history as to what other respected book makers do.(not the crap books )

[raiders72002]

Years of experience is just a snow job for bad math.

BTW, pinnacle agreed with me. A Pinnacle Pulse edition was published shortly after that time on what percentage they consider a bad line. That case would have been a bad line according to Pinny.

I won't play Taco and post 100 quotes and links to the case but I'm sure many here remember that case.

[SBR_John]

Yea I dont remember or care. Probably its more of a case of SBR representing a real player while you were trying to shoot the player down so you could score some brownie points for some crap book. Am I getting close?

[raiders72002]

You're on to me although somehow my record is still 100% paid players, even from those shit books.

I forgot to mention that some guys were paid 5 figures when the book tanked.

Stop mixing me up with your old best buddy Roberto. You even had a TOW banner up here at one time.

[jjgold]

I think books should go up to -300 for dime lines

[Arilou]

I have spread markets at 4 cents at Matchbook (-102/-102) and in one case went to 2 cents (-101/-101) on a bowl game when no one else wanted to spread the game and I knew I had volume, so I know that tight lines can be pulled off... and I wouldn't touch -300/+290 with a 10 foot poll. There's no way to do that profitably, even if you don't factor in the fact that there are lights to keep on and paychecks to put out. God forbid there's a bonus involved!

[Doug]

I have spread markets at 4 cents at Matchbook (-102/-102) and in one case went to 2 cents (-101/-101) on a bowl game when no one else wanted to spread the game and I knew I had volume, so I know that tight lines can be pulled off... and I wouldn't touch -300/+290 with a 10 foot poll. There's no way to do that profitably, even if you don't factor in the fact that there are lights to keep on and paychecks to put out. God forbid there's a bonus involved!

-190/+180 is about as high as a book can go.

I don't see why an exchange like Matchbook would care if the line gets as close as their software allows. What's wrong with -300/+290 if it's an exchange ?

[Doug]

Here's an NBA ML,-280/+276,after fees thats -285.71/ +270.48

Sacramento +276 $35
+264 $1,012
+230 $98



23Cleveland -280 $5,574
-305 $43
-380

[Santo]

Nothing, you can do it, he's just saying he wouldn't make a market that tight.