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Old 03-08-07, 01:17 PM   #1
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I've recently starting using Pinnacle's XML line feed again (to Pinny's specifications) but am extremely disappointed with the speed of service -- especially during peak times when it becomes essentially unusable.

Is anyone having any luck with this? I think I may need to go back to scraping their HTML.
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Old 03-08-07, 01:20 PM   #2
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Scrape their html and your ip wll be blocked if you put some auto reloader in it.

XML is ok but again your IP will be blocked if you grab the feed more than every 2 minutes or so.

I love you Ganch but your not playing smart today at all.
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what is the differance between their XML feed and that "Dynamic Line Dsiplay" ? I use DLD alot and it's pretty sweet.. what is XML like compared to this..?

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Old 03-08-07, 01:58 PM   #4
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Scrape their html and your ip wll be blocked if you put some auto reloader in it.
If you're going to scrape Pinnacle's HTML you just need to be careful ...

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XML is ok but again your IP will be blocked if you grab the feed more than every 2 minutes or so.
They ask for 60 seconds between requests. That's pretty easy to do when each request takes 5 minutes to fulfill.

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You can tell me about it when we go out. At this point we'd even meet you in Newark.
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Old 03-08-07, 02:04 PM   #5
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what is the differance between their XML feed and that "Dynamic Line Dsiplay" ? I use DLD alot and it's pretty sweet.. what is XML like compared to this..?
You'd use the XML line feed if you wanted raw data for analytical purposes. Attached is a sample, pared-down Pinnacle XML line file (change the extension from .txt to .xml in order to view in-browser).
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File Type: txt pinnacle.xml.txt (189.5 KB, 292 views)
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Old 03-08-07, 02:54 PM   #6
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my browser couldn't get it to come up... can you cut and paste on your post a sample..?

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my browser couldn't get it to come up... can you cut and paste on your post a sample..?

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You can also open it up with notepad (easier if you put back the .txt extension).
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Old 03-09-07, 07:28 PM   #8
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I think I may need to go back to scraping their HTML.

what is scraping html?
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Old 03-09-07, 07:31 PM   #9
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what is scraping html?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_scraping.
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Old 03-09-07, 08:13 PM   #10
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What's the advantage to scraping and what's the advantage to xml feeds..? It looks like a buch of bionary code... Forgive me for being unaware but I can't make heads or tails of it... Just looks like bionary code..
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If you use spider programs, the xml feed is nice.
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Old 03-09-07, 08:37 PM   #12
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Spider programs..? oh sh*t.. what the hell are those..? sounds interesting...
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Old 03-10-07, 12:18 PM   #13
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What's the advantage to scraping and what's the advantage to xml feeds..? It looks like a buch of bionary code... Forgive me for being unaware but I can't make heads or tails of it... Just looks like bionary code..
Well first off, binary code will look something this:
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00000000 00010001 00000100 11111111 00010011 00000111 00000100 00010010 00000100 11111111 00001111 00000100 00001110 00001111 00001011 00000100 11111111 00010001 00000100 00000000 00001011 00001011 00011000 11111111 00010011 00000111 00000000 00010011 11111111 00000101 00010100 00000010 00001010 00001000 00001101 00000110 11111111 00010010 00010011 00010100 00001111 00001000 00000011 11111111 11111111
While XML may not always be transparently human readable it's still much higher level and easier to visually parse than binary (not that a properly motivated person couldn't read binary with a modest effort ...)

The advantage to an XML feed over scraping is that it's provided by design and follows a guaranteed format. HTML pages may will frequently have their formatting modified and will so without warning or description . Furthermore, many companies look askance and those scraping their pages. XML should be the default choice.

As a general rule, there really is no advantage to scraping over XML. However, there may well be case-specific reasons why XML could be preferable.

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  • Pinnacle's XML feed does not provide access to the lines reflected in its drop-down box prices. If you wanted to automatically read this data you couldn't do so using their standard XML and instead would need to scrape the HTML.
  • A sportsbook may not devote the same quality of technology to its XML provision server as it might to its HTML provision server (or servers). The reason for this is obvious. It's more profitable to invest resources to a website used by nearly all of its customers, than to a feed used by a relatively small number. One effect of this could be what I mentioned in the first post of this thread; namely that accessing the feed could become extremely slow process. Another effect could be an unreliable XML feed that often crashed.
  • A company can effectively exert a lot more control over its XML feed than over its HTML.. The reason is b/c if a company sees you accessing its feed, it knows exactly what you're doing and can hence forbid you from accessing it too frequently. If you're scanning a web page, however, a book can't know for certain what you're doing and will typically allow you more latitude in terms of query frequency.
  • Data providers that provide HTML data, sometimes charge money for dedicated XML feeds.
Anyway, this is by no means a complete list, but is just a few thoughts off the top of my head. These reasons (which may not even exist in any particular circumstance). may or may not outweigh the pronounced structural advantages of XML. Use XML unless you have a good reason not to.
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If you're going to scrape Pinnacle's HTML you just need to be careful ...
I've been writing a program that gets odds from Pinnacle by scraping their HTML, but earlier today my IP was banned by them. When you refer to being careful, what do you mean, i.e. what could I do differently that would prevent me from getting banned in the future?
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I've recently starting using Pinnacle's XML line feed again (to Pinny's specifications) but am extremely disappointed with the speed of service -- especially during peak times when it becomes essentially unusable.

Is anyone having any luck with this? I think I may need to go back to scraping their HTML.
Ganch-

tried to PM you to see if you wanted to exchange any feeds, but apparently your Inbox is full and the system wont deliver anymore PMs to you until you clear some space.

i have ~20 xml feeds for various books. i'd be willing to do a 1:1 exchange for feeds i dont have if there is any on my list that interests anybody reading this. anybody pls feel free to PM me if you are interested:

Feeds I have:
CentreBet
Gamebookers
Island Sports
NordicBet
Partybets
Sports Interaction
Stan James
WSEX
Bookmaker
Sportbet
Pinnacle
Linesmaker
Legends
Gamblers Palace
Betfred
BetJamaica
BlueSquare
BetClick
William Hill
BetAtHome
BetGun
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