[steelerfan]

I know it's probably been discussed before but I have a hard time believing that check costs that much to send. Maybe the prick is on the take. You guys think?

[jjgold]

The books got you by the balls now, fuk em

[David]

You should be able to exchange 2500 betpoints for a free payout.

[Relentless]

the book doesnt have anyone by the balls. the book is hanging itself if it wants to be a bitch like this.

[knicknut]

I'll never be back if it takes $240 to get my money out. I've told them many times and it doesn't seem to bother them that they're losing a big customer.

Also know that most non-"Joe Gamblers" are not eligible for this. They'll make up some excuse after you earn the points. Very shady.

[onlòóker]

Cost me a few minutes a day, and a few miles in gas to go cash my tickets, and place my bets for the current day.

These fees are getting out of hand. They think they have the players by the balls, but if they have less players, then what?

[Dark Horse]

Typical short term gain mentality that results in long term loss.

CRIS doesn't seem to realize that players have been forced to take a very critical look at books. It takes a long time to gain trust, only seconds to destroy it.

[jjgold]

forcing us to go back to locals

[vanzack]

I realize this is not going to be a popular post, and I expect that it will ruffle some feathers.

But heres the truth.

Betcris and other books are trying to discourage people from moving money around on whims. It costs Betcris 80% of their money processor costs for 20% of the betting population, and most of the time that 20% is betting 20 bucks a game.

They dont care if this guy gets pissed and leaves. The guy who is betting reasonable amounts and doesnt deposit and withdraw every other day is the guy they want - and that guy doesnt care that there is a $60 withdrawal fee. They care that they get their money and that its safe, and they know that at Cris.

Books are in cost cutting mode and the people who need to withdraw weekly to pay the rent and buy the groceries are just too expensive to keep happy these days. They provide the least upside potential and cost the most.

The 60 bucks is meant as a deterrent as much as it is a cost recovery device.

[freebie]

Cris is playing us like chumps. We'll see who are the chumps down the road.

[freebie]

Originally Posted by vanzack

I realize this is not going to be a popular post, and I expect that it will ruffle some feathers.

But heres the truth.

Betcris and other books are trying to discourage people from moving money around on whims. It costs Betcris 80% of their money processor costs for 20% of the betting population, and most of the time that 20% is betting 20 bucks a game.

They dont care if this guy gets pissed and leaves. The guy who is betting reasonable amounts and doesnt deposit and withdraw every other day is the guy they want - and that guy doesnt care that there is a $60 withdrawal fee. They care that they get their money and that its safe, and they know that at Cris.

Books are in cost cutting mode and the people who need to withdraw weekly to pay the rent and buy the groceries are just too expensive to keep happy these days. They provide the least upside potential and cost the most.

The 60 bucks is meant as a deterrent as much as it is a cost recovery device.

how many "High Rolling Vanzacks" are on the net?
Just like at Atlantic City or Vegas, how many whales versus quarter slot players? 80% of their money are from slots.

[goldengoat]

Originally Posted by vanzack

I realize this is not going to be a popular post, and I expect that it will ruffle some feathers.

But heres the truth.

Betcris and other books are trying to discourage people from moving money around on whims. It costs Betcris 80% of their money processor costs for 20% of the betting population, and most of the time that 20% is betting 20 bucks a game.

They dont care if this guy gets pissed and leaves. The guy who is betting reasonable amounts and doesnt deposit and withdraw every other day is the guy they want - and that guy doesnt care that there is a $60 withdrawal fee. They care that they get their money and that its safe, and they know that at Cris.

Books are in cost cutting mode and the people who need to withdraw weekly to pay the rent and buy the groceries are just too expensive to keep happy these days. They provide the least upside potential and cost the most.

The 60 bucks is meant as a deterrent as much as it is a cost recovery device.

i agree with a lot of what you are saying but their reputation is taking a beating

bringing in new players big or small will be harder than it was before

there are other ways of limiting frequent withdrawals/deposits

[new2betting]

And BetCris is A+?

While the other books that give fast pay-outs are not even A+?

[pokerking]

They charged me $25 for transferring money to a friend at Cris and they made him agree to a one time rollover.

[Dark Horse]

There are more important things than fast and free payouts. We're just a month or two into a totally new chapter. I'm more interested in the policies six months down the road when the dust has settled.

They do give free payouts for 2500 points. I got mine in a week.

Is CRIS misusing the situation? Probably. Does it speak well for them? No. It is a big deal? Not to me, but it may very well be to CRIS when they realize people have gone elsewhere.

[knicknut]

Originally Posted by vanzack

I realize this is not going to be a popular post, and I expect that it will ruffle some feathers.

But heres the truth.

Betcris and other books are trying to discourage people from moving money around on whims. It costs Betcris 80% of their money processor costs for 20% of the betting population, and most of the time that 20% is betting 20 bucks a game.

They dont care if this guy gets pissed and leaves. The guy who is betting reasonable amounts and doesnt deposit and withdraw every other day is the guy they want - and that guy doesnt care that there is a $60 withdrawal fee. They care that they get their money and that its safe, and they know that at Cris.

Books are in cost cutting mode and the people who need to withdraw weekly to pay the rent and buy the groceries are just too expensive to keep happy these days. They provide the least upside potential and cost the most.

The 60 bucks is meant as a deterrent as much as it is a cost recovery device.

I bet much, much larger than this and I won't be back because of those fees. CRIS's lines are rarely the best anyway, and those fees are indicative of continuing terrible service.

[GamblingPrincessXOXO]

The high limit players should have no problem with this nominal fee. Small players this is an obvious message....stay away. This erodes your bankroll big time.

[pags11]

I'm hoping they come up with a more efficient payment method, 'cause the $60 payout stinks...

[DrSlamm]

cris was always expensive to withdraw from barring the once a week 2500 dollar netellet withdrawals

[jjgold]

cris will be gone by next football season

[Glowinns]

I personally don't play at Cris, but I've heard many complaints in the past year in regards to high withdraw fees.

[vanzack]

Originally Posted by goldengoat

i agree with a lot of what you are saying but their reputation is taking a beating

bringing in new players big or small will be harder than it was before

there are other ways of limiting frequent withdrawals/deposits

The point is that they dont necessarily want to fight to keep this lower 20% of their business. It costs them more to service this group than it is worth.

So their reputation is taking a beating with this crowd. But they dont care. They are interested in the other crowd that provides them what they need in the way of volume with lower servicing costs.

And I can tell you for a fact that in this desired group CRIS is on the short list, with or without a 60 dollar withdrawal fee. To 99% of this group the 60 bucks doesnt make a difference. They want a book that will pay when they win and give them bigger limits etc.

Cris is not a bodog or 5dimes or sportsbook.com. Those books couldnt charge 60 bucks for a withdrawal because they would lose ALL of their business. CRIS knows their clientel and knows which part of their clientel they would lose with this fee, and they dont care. In fact, they are happy.

[Yoshi]

If they would be happy that small to under average players leave, they wouldnt sponsor a Beat the Prick contest here.
I agree that they have an arogant attitude and all, but i doubt any book can be happy if they loose players.
Satisfied small players add to reputation too.

[vanzack]

Originally Posted by Yoshi

If they would be happy that small to under average players leave, they wouldnt sponsor a Beat the Prick contest here.
I agree that they have an arogant attitude and all, but i doubt any book can be happy if they loose players.
Satisfied small players add to reputation too.

Things have changed greatly in the last 2 months.

Books now are making decisions about the recreational US gambler. Some books are positioned to cater to these folks, and cant change. But a book like CRIS has a choice.

Think about this group. Think about the expense and the risk. The small US gambler is extremely expensive to service. They are also a risk now because of US DOJ persecution. So what is the motivation for a book like CRIS to keep these players happy?

Bodog has to keep this group. They have positioned themselves to cater solely to this group. But CRIS doesnt. Considering that servicing this group is expensive, and that they open themselves up to the US DOJ just that much more - why would CRIS want to mess around with them? This fee is a conscious decision to make the player make a choice. Go to bodog if you want, but if you want security, higher limits, stay with us but we dont want the high overhead and risk of the recreational guy.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

They do give free payouts for 2500 points. I got mine in a week.

I'm so sick of clowns spouting about the "free" payouts. Your "free" payouts for a paltry $2500 are costing you $28.13 in expected value from freeplays.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by DrSlamm

cris was always expensive to withdraw from barring the once a week 2500 dollar netellet withdrawals

Yeah, those $0 fees on E-Checks for $5,000 per day really added up.

[austintx05]

I agree with vanzack...I went straight to CRIS after the Pinny/Neteller shutdown, because I know my money is safe there and that they will pay me. While $60 is not the best of fees, I know I will get my money....

[goldengoat]

Originally Posted by vanzack

The point is that they dont necessarily want to fight to keep this lower 20% of their business. It costs them more to service this group than it is worth.

So their reputation is taking a beating with this crowd. But they dont care. They are interested in the other crowd that provides them what they need in the way of volume with lower servicing costs.

And I can tell you for a fact that in this desired group CRIS is on the short list, with or without a 60 dollar withdrawal fee. To 99% of this group the 60 bucks doesnt make a difference. They want a book that will pay when they win and give them bigger limits etc.

Cris is not a bodog or 5dimes or sportsbook.com. Those books couldnt charge 60 bucks for a withdrawal because they would lose ALL of their business. CRIS knows their clientel and knows which part of their clientel they would lose with this fee, and they dont care. In fact, they are happy.

i understood this all the 1st time you said it and my opinion stays the same

[pags11]

vanzack,

you make some great points...I still don't think its smart by CRIS to do this...this all ties into the fact that CRIS really struggles with their CS...I have no doubt it will end up biting them in the ass...maybe not right away, but you've got books like WSEX and the Greek to turn to that are just as good, but are better run than CRIS...

[capitalist pig]

I dont mind the $60 fee so much, because I have never moved $$$$ around much. I requested a check fed ex 7 days ago(2-27), and still cant get a tracking # yet.Last Thursday I was told a tracking # would be available Friday, then Friday I was told it would be available Monday, then today I was told it would be available Tuesday.

I dont mind the waiting so much, I just wish all the cs agents would have the same stories.

later

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by capitalist pig

I dont mind the $60 fee so much, because I have never moved $$$$ around much. I requested a check fed ex 7 days ago(2-27), and still cant get a tracking # yet.Last Thursday I was told a tracking # would be available Friday, then Friday I was told it would be available Monday, then today I was told it would be available Tuesday.

I dont mind the waiting so much, I just wish all the cs agents would have the same stories.

later

They didn't have a fedex tracking number for me either. The next day the check arrived. By UPS...

[austintx05]

Originally Posted by knicknut

I bet much, much larger than this and I won't be back because of those fees. CRIS's lines are rarely the best anyway, and those fees are indicative of continuing terrible service.

so what book will you be playing with in place of CRIS?

[knicknut]

Originally Posted by austintx05

so what book will you be playing with in place of CRIS?

Matchbook or nowhere, unless I move out of the US.

[vanzack]

Originally Posted by knicknut

Matchbook or nowhere, unless I move out of the US.

Matchbook is a great choice, but holds some obvious problems for a big bettor like you.

Its not always possible to get down all that you want in the time period you want on the the game you want.

Big bettors always need a backup. And why I go back to my original statement that this group only has a couple of choices: Greek, Cris, WSEX and Matchbook. I doubt 60 bucks is going to be worth someone voluntarily giving up one of those choices these days, but who knows.

[capitalist pig]

Quote Dark Horse "They didn't have a fedex tracking number for me either. The next day the check arrived. By UPS..."

I can only hope I get that lucky!

Later