[jjgold]

Well I mean they do like them but it is only a friendship type thing only where the other guy is the one that bangs her and the girl always wants to do things with him instead of the nice guy.

Secondly the nice guy is the one the girls asks for favors for and then he does it and then girl cant wait to call lesser quality guy to go do something.

Go Figure and pretty common

Why?

[Stumpage]

JJ, they like the "Bad Boys", until of course the Bad Boy does something bad to them (Which for some reason always seems to surprise them...Go figure).....

[Lucas]

do you find yourself nice??
i saw some videos at youtube... eh... i think this is not your problem

to the theme: not all girls are like you say, but many need some adventure and if they are stupid enough... they are girls, not boys, so they usually do not go to North pole, their top is to **** some junkie or sick gambler and wash socks for the good guy, who take them for Sunday dinner by mum

[Dark Horse]

Girls want a little walk on the wild side, a little taste of danger, before they settle for a reliable guy and have kids; as most of them know they will.

[ShamsWoof10]

there are a couple of elements to consider here.. The first is LOOKS.. Let's face it fokes it matters to us so why wouldn't you expect it to matter to them...? This is not refering to you but in general... Also they like the "bad Boy" imagine because that is what media is currently portraing as what is cool to have and desire...

[Korchnoi]

I think some people are nice b/c they have to be.

[Willie Bee]

I'll go home and ask Mrs Bee why she went for such a 'bad boy' as myself, JJ. Will get back to you tomorrow with her reasons, but my confidence is high that I already know her answer.

First, she will look at me as if I'm crazy, then she will at least giggle if not break into a full belly laugh while reminding me that she knew me when I was a Boy Scout, a band geek and, for the most part, a straight-A student whose only real vice in high school, aside form the occasional left-handed cigarette and underage drinking, was to occasionally take my VW Bug off road in and around Houston where there are now subdivisions.

[jjgold]

Good point Korhcy, also you will find good looking guys are usually not nice because they know girls will go for them no matter what and the average looking guys have to be nice to even get a slim chance. Everyone tells me play hard to get as it is effective with a girl.

[Stumpage]

I'll go home and ask Mrs Bee why she went for such a 'bad boy' as myself, JJ. Will get back to you tomorrow with her reasons, but my confidence is high that I already know her answer.

First, she will look at me as if I'm crazy, then she will at least giggle if not break into a full belly laugh while reminding me that she knew me when I was a Boy Scout, a band geek and, for the most part, a straight-A student whose only real vice in high school, aside form the occasional left-handed cigarette and underage drinking, was to occasionally take my VW Bug off road in and around Houston where there are now subdivisions.

"Bad Bee"...I like it...what could be a new avatar to go with that?

[EBone]

I think some people are nice b/c they have to be.

Ah-hah. Now we're getting somewhere. I think the dudes that have to be nice are the dudes that have a schlong the size of a Vienna sausage. Believe me......I know. I've had to be a nice guy all my life.

You see, girls are way ahead of us goons. They've got the playbook. But the secret is that you have to be able to do the "Double Deek Jedi Mind Trick". That is to say: if you know that they have the playbook, you have to make the girls think you know that they have the playbook. Then the pyramid of mind games can commence. If you are mentally strong enough, you will win. If not, rehuddle and restrategize. Us nice guys gotta be smarter than the opposition. It's the only way we can compete.

It sure would be easier if we were endowed with a 10" hammer though.



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[Scorpion]

1- Because most people are stupid, man and woman. they dont appreciate a nice person
2- Nice guys are not boring but you tend to take nice people for granted and when your comfort level is too high because most people are stupid they will become less interested in you

[fathead]

They have to save the nice guys as friends only so they can cry on their shoulder when the bad boy does not call for a week or stands them up on their latest date.

[pags11]

two words, JJ: leykis 101...

[jjgold]

Some good points here and all seem real accurate especially scorpion's.

[jjgold]

Odds you are 100% correct, its the only way to get women to like you as sad as that sounds.

[pags11]

www.blowmeuptom.com

check it out guys, it's paid dividends for me...

[jjgold]

Looks do matter more to a woman than a man also

Looks get you in the door

[Scorpion]

of course it does so what do you plan to do about your small THING?

I dont think a good girl would go for 3 inches of solid meat?

[justbet]

jj you are too god damn ugly to get a girl. maybe you should consider guys.

[ShamsWoof10]

The size which I have is not as important as you think.. It's not like they can tell how big you are when they walk up and talk to you... As I mentioned earlier everything works off of the looks factor which is the main thing at the start... With no start you can't finish... It works with us too guys.. I paid attention to this topic for a long time and I hear both girls and guys when they have an interest in someone.. THE FIRST thing that comes out of their mouth is how hot he/she is... How many times do you hear a girl OR A GUY say "wow that girl has one hell of a personality" ... I bet you have never gone for the nice funny fat girl that hangs out with the hot ones... I don't care how hard she plays... There are other things that matter no doubt but everything starts and works off of her/he being attracted to you... I have worked out and gained muscle, got minor cosmetic surgery, and made some changes to my clothing... IT MADE A HUGGGE DIFFERANCE in how everyone treats you in general...

Things to have:
1... Looks appearance overall
2... Money or a potential of making a lot of it
3... Character i.e. personality
4... Popularity or fame

The more you lack in one of these the more you must have in the other three..

[jjgold]

Justbet I have been with a few guys and did not like it

Does size matter? I am about 2.5 inches but thick

[gurkic1]

Good topic...interesting read!

[bedada]

Girls go for the bad boy because they usually don't have much self esteem. Another reason is most girls love to be dominated in the bedroom. The bad boy fits the bill. I know this from experience. I never had luck with women even though I'm built like an amateur bodybuilder. I started being more of a bad boy and it really worked. Girls love a sense of humor and confidence. You have to believe you are better than them and they are all sluts. It's pretty much true. lol

[ShamsWoof10]

I agree with you but yoiu mentioned yoiu are built... I did an experiment to prove my point to these 3 girls.. I had a friend who I hung out with that had a moderate cut build, a tan, dressed nice, and portrayed having money by dressing nice and once in a while drivng his dad's lexus... He was a entry level model (did limited photo shoots 3-7 times a year)... In any case I had another guy who was built pretty descent with an above average face and dressed ok but they both were what girls consider to be arragant... I had the average guy approach them with the usual attitude and they considered him arragent and disputed with him about his attitude... When they met my better looking friend for the first time he was instructed to be his usual arragant self but turned it up a bit... Oh he did and I gave both guys the basically same script.. The girls thought the model was very hot (first thing they mentioned) and TO BOOT loved his personality.. As you would expect (there are exceptions) but the average guy got girls but his were not as hot as the model guys... Sorry to bable but I got quite a thrill out of setting these girls up..

A final note here..from experience this works with guys and girls alike..the better looking you get and better you do the more likely you are to raise your expectation level.. Remember guys WE ALL try and attain what we think is our equal or better NOT WORSE... Also guys do the samething as girls but it's supply and demand... There is more demand then supply... How many bars are even 50-50 not many...We should study it in reverse.. Why don't big chickss who are nice get guys...? For the most part you will come to the same conclusion...

Thanks for all your insights..

P.S. without your built buddy they would have sent you home packin'

[louis]

The woman who do not go for nice guys, are not the woman who nice guys are interested in, anyhow.

[pags11]

I also highly recommend you guys reading "The Game" by Neil Strauss...great book...

[jjgold]

Way more men than women at night spots so already if your not good looking its going to be hard. The theory that woman have low self esteems is a valid one too therefore they go for the guy that puts them down and makes them feel like crap because it blends into their personalities.

[dave11486]

jj,

The reason beautiful women like to be joked around with and made fun of is simple. They do not like wusses. Not because they have a low self esteem necessarily, but because they want a challenege. Like any species the female wants to mate with the most masculine male. Nice guys usually give in and the "bad boys" look out for themselves and focus on themselves and their life first. Girls have a extra sense about what you really are too, so if you are a faker they will most likely know unless you have learned a lot over the years.

[jjgold]

Wow!! Some great points in this thread. I swear if I try some of these tips and get laid I am giving everyone a $20 bill.

[ShamsWoof10]

Do you see the computer you are on now..? The Keyboard you are typing on and mouse you are using..? Well it's a computer and those are imput devices... WE FUNCTION THE SAME WAY!!! We are biological computers and like a regular computer when you are born the HDrive is EMPTY... There is none of this shit like "that toddler is going to desire a bad boy when she is older because it's in her nature or bullshit like that.." It will depend upon the programming she is exposed to... The mind works exactly like a computer and it will work with whatever software is provided... We are repeaters we repeat and copy things from our enviorment... Wiggers are a good example..it's not in their nature to desire to act that way but media has made that their desire... This is how EVERYONE works though... We basically LIVE off of sayings meaning we just repeat something we have heard without really thinking about it... Media is a programming tool and the American public is a good example of how you can be programmed... I hate when I hear people say "Saddam Hussan was a bad guy though.." How on ****in' earth do they know... do they know him.? MEDIA!!! This is the same shit guys MEDIA is why girls like bad boys... Look at movies, music, sports, and reality shows they protray the nice guy as being a tool and the undesirable one... Van Dan, Stallone, AAAAAAnold..these guys are not pussys... I live near a college campus and I have seen college kids come and go for 17 years and they are NOT the same in desire or behavior... The changes are DIRECTLY correlated with the entertainment industry.. DIRECTLY if you missed that... When friends come over and discuss politics or sports it's like I have tivo and I'm watching MSNBC or ESPN all over again... Their opinions are what I just heard on tv... Not to say above posts are wrong they are just the result NOT the cause (why)...

In conclusion the media dictates our thoughts, desires, and beliefs with little resistance.. 9-11 was very impressive.. The media did a HELL of a job with that one... BTW after almost 6 years now if anyone still believes a bunch of guys jumped on planes and ran them into buildings needs to have their head examined!!!

Thank you for reading....

[tacomax]

Interesting post, ShamsWoof10.

But have you got any tips for jjgold about getting laid?

[Willie Bee]

This is how EVERYONE works though... We basically LIVE off of sayings meaning we just repeat something we have heard without really thinking about it... Media is a programming tool and the American public is a good example of how you can be programmed...

Interesting theories, ShamsWoof. Have a question, however. When you say "everyone," do you also mean yourself and, if so, where did you get the theory that you are repeating?

[ShamsWoof10]

Hey guys... Thanks for the quesitons and I will try and answer them the best that I can... I spent two hours working on this so I hope you will read it... I address JJ's issue more then half way through if you wish to skip down... I am sorry it is so long but I hope it answers some of your questions...

First Wille Beeeeeeeeeeamer... Yes sir I am of course subjected to this type of programming and I catch myself everyday repeating certain things.... Theories about economics, politcs and other related topics are not so much from media but other sources which are probably indirectly from media like friends or alternative opinions... Even media to a small degree... Even when you are aware of it and see it happen to you it's so everywhere that it's really hard to not fall in line and repeat sayings... Let me give you a few examples of how I proceeded with two theories I have mentioned before and maybe this will give you more insight on how i arrive at certain conclusions...

As for 9-11 well to start with when someone lies to you many times you have to doubt them right off the bat... The average person will agree that you can't believe most of what you see on the news but a second after saying that buy into whatever the news says AND REPEAT IT... They don't corralate what was just told to them by mdeia and their previous statement...

There is always an element that tips me off like the b**tch using the cell phone at 20,000+K ft. please 2001 and before I have tried turning my phone on everytime I flew and you get no service until recently they equiped planes to handle cell phone transmission capability... I researched and looked at video, read documents, heard other opinions, looked at motives..etc etc. and after doing that the original theory sounded almost impossible...

The AIDS topic... What didn't make sense to me is if this is such a pademic why don't I know ANYONE who has it and like 9-11 why do stories keep changing.... Making corralations and asking questions is something that is rare now... After looking more into this at differant angles I found that they were and are virologists that disputes this... The fact that they stlll call it the AIDS VIRUS is a ref flag right there... Media always contradicts itself but no one really questions it because they are believed as if they are god.. without question... Can you imagine...having the power to lie to the masses over and over and still knowing they will buy into whatever you throw out there...

FINALLY lol to the girls issue... I have experimented with this one myself... Hanging out with the model gave me good insight on girls... Corralating their behavior with him and in contrast/comparison to others.... Watching guys do the samething..being motivated to do a task they loved doing for one girl but was a pain in the ass doing THE SAME TASK for another girl... Getting you laid my friend is VERY SIMPLE... I will give you the same advice I gave my brother and my one friend last year... Both of these guys were coming off a girl leaving them for another guy... One year later after doing most of what was suggested my brother has that girl chasing him now and my one friend is back with the other girl... If you are paitient and you are willing to work at it then IT WILL HAPPEN...

First look at yourself as if you were an NFL team looking at QB's in the draft... There might be a QB with a strong arm and moble but he's not big enough... They want the QB that has alllll the attributes they are looking for because the competition is greater and they are available...

Girls are like that NFL team..you are made up of three aspects Physical, Mental, and Emotional.. Try and improve all three....

1... Evaluate the way you dress... This is an INITIAL impression which is most important... Dressing casual is comfortable but not recommanded... Bananna Republic is good and "affordable"...
2.. Evaluate your style... A nice hair style and well maintanied hair is also key... Groom yourself...
3... WORKOUT!!! on your overall body.. I can't tell you how important this is for MANY reasons.. but I will give you two.. a.. it gives you a much better mental state of mind and naturally breeds confidence from within you... It all starts inside you not the other way around... b.. it will give you that physical appearance that is very desirable and tells women you are healthy are respect yourself enough to take care of what you have... PEOPLE WILL NOTICE CHANGES and you will get compliments as you improve breeding more confidence... Like completing a few passes or making your first few shots to start... also a nice tan is recommended...

3.. Smile and look approachable and friendly... After they are attracted to you then you can act busy and have them chase you by being mysterious but NOT before... If you're teeth are f*cked up...fix them.. If anythng is f*ucked up get it fixed... Don't be afraid to make any changes that will IMPROVE you.. Cosmo. surgery or whatever it may take... No need for big changes but lots of little ones makes it a huuuuge change... An attractive face has proportion and clarity...

4.. Be paitient and stay focused on your goal.. Know it is not overnight... Be Emotionally stable and positive around people... Don't talk about other girls a lot or show emotional baggage... Talk about what the girl likes and make it SEEM like she is important AT THE TME...

5.. Mentally: Educate yourself and use good grammer.. I watch CNBC WORLD just to listen to proper english.. Also DO NOT BE JUDGEMENTAL... I have noticed girls truly hate that.. Be indifferant on certain things if you have to...

There are other things that would apply AFTER you get the girl interested like pleasing her sexually but that's later..

I know this dragged out quite a bit and I hope it did not get monotinous.. boy my spelling sucks... anyway good luck to you all today....