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11-11-2005, 12:14 PM
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Theory guided discussion on forum vs. non-forum posters
This a thread I've been meaning to start for a while now and I am curious about the response.
A lot of people go into the gaming forums for a number of different reasons. Some go to post picks, others to share insights, to do running in-game reports and so on. But one thing seems universal in the gaming forum scene and that posters care about other posters' picks. In fact, some posters and lurkers merely coatail off other posters' picks and play those and some posters will hold off on a play after seeing what a "respected" poster has to say about the game. I've heard stories where posters are irrate after a pick falls through and go into threads to flame. The question then begs an answer then are forum posters any different than non-forum posters? That is, are guys who post some how more gaming savvy, do they know something that the non-forum poster does not know? My answer is no. It's hard to see how a gaming forum poster has an extra edge. In fact, if anything forums may serve as extra confusion in an already information dense sports environment. Moreover, most posters who post on a regular basis choose not to include their overall record. I am not saying that it is wrong (it is certainly cumbersome) but it's hard to make evaluations based on the fact that a certain poster happens to post a lot and therefore his picks are more likely to be accurate than a newbie. What the gaming forum scene should ultimately do is provide insights on system and strategies, sportsbook discussions, general discussion on games, potential research angles, injury info, advice on money managment, line shopping discussions....pretty much the things that get overlooked the most. Bottom line picking winners is important...but the processes and procedures for picking winners are equally as important If you are looking for picks....i am afraid the gaming forum scene does not help very much long term. In short, there is no reason to believe that the picks guys make on forums are somehow inherently better than guys who don't post. Opinions?
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11-11-2005, 12:59 PM
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I am not afraid to admit that I have learned many things from my fellow posters here. The reason I post on this forum is to expand my knowledge as best I can. I am one of those people that is not satisfied being good at something, I have to be great before I am happy. It is this drive that leads me to this forum to post and learn from the other great minds that "reside" here. Yet, on the flip side of this drive is the realization that I'm not the best sportsbettor in the world and that there is always room for improvement. I am a very capable sportsbettor, but by no means am I an expert. I can tell by the personalities on this forum that I am not the only poster here with that drive and belief. I would argue that most of the people here are here because they share these same characteristics. I talk to my buddies who bet on sports and they ridicule me for visiting a sportsbetting forum. What is there to learn or discuss they wonder? That's why I think its so funny that they now always ask me who I'm playing each weekend. To the average sportsbettor, the thought of coming to this forum is a waste of time. Their ego makes them believe they know all they need to know and there's no one here that is better than them and no one here that could teach them anything. This belief is why more people lose at sportsbetting than win. Most of the posters here do not have this belief and are here to learn as much as they can from each other to become the best sportsbettor they can.
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11-11-2005, 02:07 PM
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Always open to learn and all that ... but, to be fair, while you can improve some margins and stuff ... its still about picking winners.
Sometimes we could spend longer trying to spot lines, debate the industry, etc more than the fundamental business of picking winners. So, for me, I would have to say I look on the forum as a source of interest and amusement. Rather than as a source of some kind of intellectual gamblers university. That said, I remember someone (I think it was TOW or bigboy ... as I said, the avators confuse me now) starting a thread on peoples own gambling rules which was actually extremely helpful but that was a while ago. Now, I read it mainly to see what the books are up to, who has been stiffed recently, etc. And I like the chat, its interesting. Sometimes, deep down, I am convinced this whole betting thing is very, very simple. I know football (soccer) I think and do well enough but sometimes I do think I get too wrapped up in finding value, chasing lines, etc instead of keeping it easy and "I think this is very likely to happen and the odds are good" end of story. But, that said ... forums are good for bonus whoring, team news, etc. |
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11-11-2005, 03:22 PM
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That quote was taken from the RX. |
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11-11-2005, 03:33 PM
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I try and recruit people for all sports. Sea may be the best golf guy on the forums. Earlyspeed was outr horse guy. I'm still trying to recruit the old group along with new blood. Forums can be very profitable if you have the right people. We also post fades. |
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11-11-2005, 07:47 PM
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Natrass said it best: in the end, it is about picking winners. But learning the particularities of gambling, line movement, expected return is the advantage of a forum addict.
I enjoy SBR message board for the diversity of posts, from Ganchrow's mathematical explanation to Pags personal experiences with books. And I still enjoy reading one's opinion on a specific play. It's like being at the pub and trying to figure out what's going to happen in the next game, with relevant statistics and links to more info. Everybody's opinion is worth reading for me as a gambler, looking at every possible angle; the more I know, the better are my chances. A poster might not necessarily pick winners at a 60% rate but he sure is better informed and, therefore, should have an edge over a non-poster. Of course, I am not talking about those strange posts you find in other forums: the 'I have inside info' and 'my professional gambler of a cousin put 50K on the over' type of posts. Although humor helps to forget about gambling  Max |
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11-11-2005, 11:29 PM
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This is the reason why forum posters are great to have and why they should get together to share information. This is what happenend at my site.
---------------------------- BMO: Perfect example of why you need to play best #'s, and what I'm trying to accomplish. So far today..we've hit 2 middles..Utah game lands 183, and spurs game lands 185. We missed another one by 1 basket in the Pacer game. But all the people that were betting over Spurs today at 186 can't be happy. As well as under bettors on the utah game. I love it when a plan comes together ! |
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11-12-2005, 08:04 AM
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More likely to find posters with a clue vs non posters because anything you say here can be critically evaluated by other posters who do have a clue. Internet in general forces people to a higher standard. That said, most posters don't have enough of an edge to overcome the juice, but a greater percentage do than the non-forum gambline community at large.
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11-12-2005, 08:36 AM
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