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02-16-2007, 09:54 PM
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SBR Rookie
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Location: Texas
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Payout delays: Still not acceptable and players need to take them as warning signs.
No matter if its VIP, CRIS are whoever. The books have real problems with processing right now. Whatever. Their job is to find a way to pay when they lose and players must try to hold some ground here. We can't accept slow pays.
A big risk here is that a book in trouble will be able to hide behind the "processing excuse". It makes our job harder and removes an early warning detection that a book is in trouble.
Players need to be vocal. Players need to only play at books they trust. Honorable bookmakers will always find a way to pay.
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02-16-2007, 09:56 PM
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SBR High Roller
Join Date: 01-12-07
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john- how has matchbook been?
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02-16-2007, 10:01 PM
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SBR Rookie
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Matchbook has been as spotty as well. They are trust worthy though.
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02-16-2007, 10:05 PM
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SBR MVP
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Under the present conditions if one cannot refrain from betting offshore then they should take an inventory of themselves because there may be a personal problem brewing.
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02-16-2007, 10:08 PM
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SBR High Roller
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I was able to withdraw using moneybookers at Mansion within just a few hours. Of course I had to submit identification etc prior to withdrawal.
The books that I had withdrawal problems with were 5dimes and WSEX. I do not know if they are "okay" right now.
I do not know if 5Dimes' promoting of e-gold as a payment method is a way for them to easily get funding. That is why I posted on another thread if anyone actually did the whole e-gold process of payment & withdrawal successfully.
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02-16-2007, 10:38 PM
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SBR Posting Legend
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good stuff john...sam, I may fall into that category, but I kind of like being a degenerate...
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02-16-2007, 11:12 PM
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SBR Rookie
Join Date: 02-15-07
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I cannot accept slow pays neither but when the hell can we do if like me after 13 months of a series of successful moneybookers payouts with POINTBET they just decide that its time not to release fast payouts anymore. I am an optimisitic guy by nature but I am still waiting for my $2k moneybookers already 5 weeks by now.
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02-16-2007, 11:20 PM
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SBR MVP
Join Date: 08-10-05
Location: DC metropolitan
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Bill or JOhn,
What do you know about BetTrojan? are they making payouts or heard any complains. I kinda like their -105 games.
I'm stuck with Skybook's -107 right now and it's going to cost me an arm and a leg to withdraw via WU.
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02-16-2007, 11:31 PM
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SBR Rookie
Join Date: 02-14-07
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how is betgameday at paying?
thanks
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02-17-2007, 12:27 AM
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SBR Posting Legend
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have matchbook payouts really been that slow?...
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02-17-2007, 12:39 AM
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SBR Posting Legend
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That is why Im sticking to betting in town. Offshore is such a question mark these days. I want to see improvements before I jump back in to the offshore books. I dont want to jump through hoops to get money in and out of a book. Its really nice to have it go right into my pocket. 
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02-17-2007, 12:58 AM
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SBR High Roller
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SBR_John
No matter if its VIP, CRIS are whoever. The books have real problems with processing right now. Whatever. Their job is to find a way to pay when they lose and players must try to hold some ground here. We can't accept slow pays.
A big risk here is that a book in trouble will be able to hide behind the "processing excuse". It makes our job harder and removes an early warning detection that a book is in trouble.
Players need to be vocal. Players need to only play at books they trust. Honorable bookmakers will always find a way to pay.
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This is all good and well, but if we're trying to get money out of a book (as most of us are), we really don't have a choice.
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02-17-2007, 01:12 AM
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SBR Rookie
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Bill follows BetTrojan so he would have a better opinion. Gameday, Matchbook and other good books are struggeling to make timely payouts. They are honorable bookmakers and will pay.
Players need to continue to complain because the standard is being lowered as we speak. Players are losing ground.
As players, you guys shouldnt care why payouts are slow. Excuses and .50 will still get you a jelly dougnut. Dont let SBR or anyone else tell you slow pays are OK. The books i think make good money. Its their job to find a way to pay players. Its certainly not the players job to accept slow pays as normal.
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02-17-2007, 01:18 AM
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SBR High Roller
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Son of a mother
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02-17-2007, 02:14 AM
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SBR MVP
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I understand both sides of this. Slow pays are miserable, but slow pays do not even begin to compare to no pays. Let's not confuse the issue.
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02-17-2007, 02:21 AM
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SBR Posting Legend
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I really think we were just so spoiled before...
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02-17-2007, 04:04 AM
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Agreed Pags....Neteller made life so much easier. Things are changing right before our very eyes and for the worse.
Thanks John for this thread....
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02-17-2007, 12:02 PM
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SBR Sharp
Join Date: 07-16-06
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I have always wondered about our priorities. Yes, it's great to be able to request a payout and have the money in an hour. But is that what really maters? To me, this represents an opportunity cost of money that defies reality. If I can choose between -110 lines that pay instantly and -109 lines where I can withdraw in three weeks, I know which one I'm going to bet at, and I'm not laying -110 - I'm with Wheell. Pay me late, so long as you pay me. I certainly do not want a book to risk drawing the wrong kind of attention in order to avoid slowpays during a strange period.
What I want to know even more is, where does SBR_John plan to get a .50c Jelly Doughnut? Mmm, jelly doughnuts...
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