[WhiteCap]

I would really like to hear a logical reason for why this crappy mediocre at best book merits an A- rating from SBR. And, puhleaze, spare me the VIP backs them financially crap. VIP does not manage this book and financial backing alone does not warrant an A- grade. If that was the case, than Mansion, Matchbook, and Wagerstreet(owned by the Greek) would all be at least A-.

[bigloser]

Originally Posted by WhiteCap

I would really like to hear a logical reason for why this crappy mediocre at best book merits an A- r

Me too

[WhiteCap]

Judging by the response(or lackthereof), it seems apparent to me that the only ones who think Nine is an A- rated book are the fine folks at SBR. LOL.

[freebie]

money talks, my friends.

[Louie Diamond]

A stands for Abstraction and Assholes!

[WhiteCap]

I love this quote on the SBR About US page: "Website visitors have access to Sportsbook Review’s unbiased sportsbook ratings and recommendations"

Unbiased? Nine being an A- book is 100% biased because of their affiliation with VIP. What percentage of readers and players feel Nine is worthy of an A- rating??????? Less than 5%, if not less than 1%. It's absolutely absurd. They rip somebody off of almost 100K less than 2 years ago when they were GCS and now are magically an A- book because they have financial backing from VIP? Vip does NOT manage this book. If SBR has any credibility, than they need to explain in detail why Nine is worthy of an A- rating or lower their rating. Again, you need more than "financial backing" to back up your reasoning, because Wagerstreet(Spiro owned), Matchbook(WSEX backed), and Mansion(owner with billions of $$$$) all have just as good financial backing and are all B-, B, or B+ rated. Dozer, are you out there? Tell me WHY Nine deserves an A- rating over the 3 books I just mentioned.

[Yoshi]

Originally Posted by WhiteCap

Dozer, are you out there? Tell me WHY Nine deserves an A- rating over the 3 books I just mentioned.

Has been discussed often on this board...they cant explain it.
The only thing you will hear is: belongs to VIP with the very honorable and most respected owner.
The rest seems to be not so important.

[SBR_John]

Originally Posted by WhiteCap

VIP does not manage this book and financial backing alone does not warrant an A- grade. If that was the case, than Mansion, Matchbook, and Wagerstreet(owned by the Greek) would all be at least A-.

VIP does in fact manage this book. They are all under the same roof.

[Louie Diamond]

What about Mike, the 'old' owner who still runs the book and has screwed many, even old ladies? His resume makes Tej look pretty good.

[SBR_John]

Mike is no longer involved at any level in the industry as far as I know. That whole team was bad news. You liked Peter for some reason but he was as rotten as they get. they improved once he was removed although thats not saying much.

GrandCentral which changed into Nine was a forum darling for a long time. Peter who posts as All-In at other joints made up all kinds of crazy stories why SBR rated them so low and had them on the blacklist. A few months later they were in slow pay mode.

[Dark Horse]

GCS is now Nine.

A sportsbook changing its name is really the entire story, isn't it?

[Bill Dozer]

Originally Posted by WhiteCap

It's absolutely absurd. They rip somebody off of almost 100K less than 2 years ago when they were GCS and now are magically an A- book because they have financial backing from VIP? Vip does NOT manage this book.

Seaching GranCentral shows SBR's position on the incident. SBR worked to resolve this while most sites ignored it. 5 months later GCS Group was acquired by L&G.

[bigloser]

This is getting off the point . The original question was a valid one . What has NINE done to earn its rating ?

[slash]

Agreed bigloser. But we won't get an answer because they can't explain it. There is absolutely no reason to have Nine rated A-.

[chano]

Originally Posted by bigloser

This is getting off the point . The original question was a valid one . What has NINE done to earn its rating ?

You are not getting an answer simply because they dont know what to say. You see the simple fact is that "A- Ratings are for sale" Not for everyone , of course. I believe you must be at least a "C " book in order to qualify (the case here). Hey guys, we all know the truth here. They dont have to spell it out for us. SBR are in it for the $$, just like we all are. What should count is what players say regarding a rating. Nine sucks, we all know that. Although SBR cant say that cause they took the money and must keep their rating at "A-".

SBR, please feel free to respond anytime.

[slash]

Funny thing is that the fact that Nine is rated A- gets them so much bad publicity on the forums, so it would probably be better for Nine to be rated C, because then no-one would complain or mention them on the forums... unless when they decide to screw another player of course.

[louis]

I have accounts at many many sportsbooks, most of which are not active in the current climate. My experience has been that SBR ratings are fairly accurate. I don't agree with all the ratings, for sure, but that is my personal experience, and SBR has to take into account the experience of everyone not just myself.

As far as nine goes, their customer service could use some improvement. But they are now sharing their operations with VIP. The person you chat with may be the same person that helped a VIP customer a second ago. Everything is virtually the same except the interface. So it makes sense that nine should have a rating close to that of VIP, in my opinion, even though in the past they certainly didn't deserve it, especially the way they use to treat winning players. But the past is now gone and ratings should not be a punishment for what has happened, but a prediction of what is going to happen in the future.

[SBR_John]

Very good post Louis.

This is a book that spent a good while on the SBR Black List. I dont think we have given them a free pass at all for there rating.

We talked at length wth VIP when their rating was a B and explained that although they owned it, it wasn't managed in the same country or by the same staff as VIP. Once they did make the move to curacao we did move Nine's rating closer to the parent.

[slash]

LOL! Yeah good post Louis, because he agrees with SBR...

[louis]

I will say that guy who was owed $85K, and then VIP bought the book 5 months later. I don't know all the details, but if the book still owed him the money, I hope VIP paid him, because he is still owed the money. New ownership does not cancel liabilities.

[chano]

Originally Posted by slash

LOL! Yeah good post Louis, because he agrees with SBR...

It's amazing isn't it... You guys are a joke

[slash]

Has this complaint dated January 22nd been sent to the SBR mailbox??? It's about nine.com...:

I feel bad talking bad about this site they seem to do a good job. But I made a bet in a rush yesterday at philladelphia park. I did not pay attention to the site ( it said 5th race) I was betting the 6th race there were 2 minutes to post. so when I realized it was the 5th race on there site I new this could not be the 6th race was about to start. So I new it would be no big deal they would just refund my money becaus the race I bet had been over for 20 minutes.But i sat there for 1hour waiting for my money I then tried to call I was put on hold 45 minutes I thought they had a computer problem so I waited until today. I talked to someone they said they would grade my bet which would return my money If in fact I bet a race that had already run. 10 minutes later I look in my account and they graded the race but took my money. So I called they put me on hold for 30 minutes I then try to talk on line no answer for 2hrs I then wrote them a letter and they never answer my call. So here I am I have 10 accounts with places you all grade high. I don't think this place is real bad but this is not good compared to the other top sites you list I have never had no problems with the other sites I been playing for 3 years. just 2months on nine.com thank you for the oppertunity to let other player's know about this.

[SBR_John]

Its healthy that some will agree and some will not on the 800+ ratings that we cover.

How strange would it be if every poster agreed on all 800 ratings? Even amongst ourselves we do not agree many times. Its a little ego driven to suggest a poster that agrees with a rating has any less credibility than one who doesnt.

We respect contrary opinions but we do visit all of these A books and visit them often. I think are methods are sound but we always try to improve and work on our sources of information.

[chano]

How much does an "A " rating cost ? How much more is it than a "B" ?

[slash]

I do not suggest that louis has less credibility than anyone else. It's just a little bit funny that among 20 posts in this thread questioning the Nine.com rating, you pick out the only one saying something positive about Nine.com and applauds his post.

So who is the one that is ego driven?

Again, please list the exact reasons why nine.com should be rated A-. You must have some criteria that you use.

[bigloser]

Originally Posted by louis

ratings should not be a punishment for what has happened, but a prediction of what is going to happen in the future.

Ratings should report what is now. Not a guess of how things may be in the future

[bigloser]

Originally Posted by louis

I will say that guy who was owed $85K, and then VIP bought the book 5 months later. I don't know all the details, but if the book still owed him the money, I hope VIP paid him, because he is still owed the money. New ownership does not cancel liabilities.

Louis is correct , was this guy paid ?

[bigloser]

Originally Posted by bigloser

Louis is correct , was this guy paid ?

SBR please . Was he paid ?

[bigloser]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Its healthy that some will agree and some will not on the 800+ ratings that we cover.

How strange would it be if every poster agreed on all 800 ratings? Even amongst ourselves we do not agree many times. Its a little ego driven to suggest a poster that agrees with a rating has any less credibility than one who doesnt.

We respect contrary opinions but we do visit all of these A books and visit them often. I think are methods are sound but we always try to improve and work on our sources of information.

Who agrees with Nines rating. I dont see anyone

[bigloser]

Looks like no one agrees with nines rating. Who were you referring to John ?

[Dark Horse]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

We talked at length with VIP when their rating was a B and explained that although they owned it, it wasn't managed in the same country or by the same staff as VIP. Once they did make the move to curacao we did move Nine's rating closer to the parent.

If I may read between the lines for a moment: VIP had a strong interest in the rating of Nine, and B wasn't good enough to them. Also, VIP needed to be explained why, as if SBR owned them an explanation. A symbiotic relationship?

From my limited perspective it would seem that many reputable books have a B rating, and that A is best reserved for the topnotch books only. At best, Nine was given such a rating prematurely. By including Nine among the A books the standard for other A rated books, if but ever so slightly, was reduced.

A rated books get positive feedback all the time on this forum, unless they're called Bodog or VIP, which focus on the square action. But that is a particular type of criticism that is very different from the complaints about Nine (which has yet to receive a positive mention on this forum).

Are the same people that operated GCS still active at Nine?

[BuddyBear]

all in all, SBR's ratings are solid. They may be off on a book or two but their ratings are as accurate as they get it. if SBR says Nine.com is an A- book then there is a very good chance they are.

[bobbywaves]

Apparently the rating is B+, not A-...I transfered my Nine account to VIP.