[Shawn01]

Does anyone here use a tout (or one of their services)? I hope I don't step on toes here but I find them to be annoying. Seems to me that they all claim to have a winning record with their picks, and many claim to have a record that is, quite frankly, very hard to believe. If I could win 70% of my picks I'd just get filthy rich by betting and not be trying to make money by selling my picks.

I'm not sure if it's a regular show or an infomercial made to look like one, but on Saturday I was channel surfing and found Jim Feist and his cronies on the TV. They were bragging about their record so far and referring viewers to Feist's web site (where I'm sure you can get their picks for a price). Really, if these guys are that good then how can the books and Vegas survive?

(rhetorical question....I already know the answer)

[bigboydan]

no use of touts here bud.

touts are leeches that pray on the type of people that lack common sense. but, if somebody is willing to pay them for there selections, then that tout is one hell of a salesmen.

[Senator7]

Guys like Jim Feist and Wayne Allan Root make millions of dollars a year because of people's stupidity and laziness (they don't want to handicap games themselves.) I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who are ripped off by tout services because of this. Although I can't stand Feist or WAR, in a sick way I do respect how smart and business savvy they are to be able to rip off so many people each year and make so much money. That's capitalism at its best!

[tacomax]

If I could win 70% of my picks I'd just get filthy rich by betting and not be trying to make money by selling my picks.

Looks like you've seen through their scam.

If you could win 70% of your picks week-in week-out then you're much better off playing at books that take professional action. And additionally you could set up a network of small-time players to make wagers on your behalf.

The last thing I'd be doing is selling the tips at $50 a pop.

[pags11]

no way I'd ever use a tout...I do listen to the stardust radio show each week though and think that Dave Cokin has some good thoughts...it's all free though...

[Senator7]

I've heard that Dave Cokin is the best of them and actually fairly close to being legit. All the others are just master salesmen and hype artists.

[Quarm]

paying for a tout is even more stupid than thinking you can win while gambling

[Senator7]

paying for a tout is even more stupid than thinking you can win while gambling

Man, you're starting to sound like Raiders. Between Texas Hold'em and betting on football, I've done really well with gambling so far. That's not to say that I won't struggle down the road, but so far so good.

[Quarm]

lol good one senator, you know what i like ^^
Dont take it personal, its true for most people and thats what counts

[Senator7]

its true for most people and thats what counts

You hit the nail on the head here. Unfortunately, it is true for most people and that's why, in all their stupidity, they turn to my avatar. That's when they really start getting killed!

[mad]

No use for touts at all, i can lose all my own money all by myself tyvm - LOL.

One thing i will say for the touts, their strike rate for getting paid is much higher than mine even at 70%. Their strike rate is always 100% @ $50 a pop no matter what!

[raiders72001]

Tout's are bottome feeders.


Senator

Man, you're starting to sound like Raiders.

You've crossed the line. I'll give you one more chance and then the gloves come off.

[Quarm]

raiders did choose the perfect name for being a tout btw

[Senator7]

Senator, You've crossed the line. I'll give you one more chance and then the gloves come off.

Raiders, it sounded like something you would say. I was just playing around and didn't mean anything by it. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I wasn't ridiculing you or anything. When I saw the post, I actually figured it was you and not Quarm, that's all. No harm, no foul.

[raiders72001]

np Senator- GL tonight with your plays.

[onlooker]

No need for touts. Please everyone that reads this thread, take everyone advice. Touts just help you lose money, by charging you for it.

SBR forum is a free tout, just go read all the picks in the Sports and Wagering forum.

[Senator7]

Onlooker, great post, but your avatar is almost as freaky as mine is!

[onlooker]

Onlooker, great post, but your avatar is almost as freaky as mine is!

Hes watching you.

[Shawn01]

I guess there are a lot of gullible people in this world because I can see through the touts...and could before I started wagering. And is it just me or do they all have the same aura of greedy slime?

[Ganchrow]

No need for touts. Please everyone that reads this thread, take everyone advice. Touts just help you lose money, by charging you for it.

SBR forum is a free tout, just go read all the picks in the Sports and Wagering forum.

If one is prepared to believe that quality free advice can be obtained by sifting thorugh posts on gambling forums, wouldn't it stand to reason that quality pay advice also exists?

[bigboydan]

no tout or any forum would have the info needed to win at a 60%+ year after year. theres only one type of info you can get to hit at that clip consistantly and, i asure you that info would not be posted on a public forum.

[onlooker]

wouldn't it stand to reason that quality pay advice also exists?

There could be, but why risk it by paying for it? Thats like playing a heavy favorite, the risk isnt worth the return.

[Ganchrow]

There could be, but why risk it by paying for it?

As I wrote in a previous post: "For a decent sized bettor the marginal cost of the average tout is de minimus. Sure, paying for bad picks is a waste of money, but the biggest waste of money is following bad picks."

Thats like playing a heavy favorite, the risk isnt worth the return.

Quite frankly, I don't see that analogy at all.

[spanky]

the only legit touts are on thesportsmonitor.com.their picks are documented every week. you can go back about 7 years to see which ones are consistant and honest.

[bigboydan]

the only legit touts are on thesportsmonitor.com.their picks are documented every week. you can go back about 7 years to see which ones are consistant and honest.

is that just like the oklahoma sports monitor

[Montreal514]

My strategy is to get free picks from touts and take the opposite. the ones that they CHARGE for are bad enough.

[Senator7]

is that just like the oklahoma sports monitor

There are a couple different tout monitors. Oklahoma and Ulimate Capper are the two most prominent.

[aje]

the only legit touts are on thesportsmonitor.com.their picks are documented every week. you can go back about 7 years to see which ones are consistant and honest.

I was wondering if you knew when they posted their picks. Is it when the game goes otb? I've heard stories of some shadiness between touts and monitoring services.

[raiders72001]

It's bad enough to lose on your own picks but even worse to lose on some one else's picks.

With the number of touts out there using a binomial distribution chart you'll find that there will be guys that have one great season where they hit 60% just by flipping a coin to make picks.

Will they be able to hit 60% for the next 5 years? Of course not. Hitting the 60% that one year does get them great business for a few years.

There are some guys that run 20 tout services. When a service hits at an unusual win percentage that service will get the pub although it's the same guy using different picks.

[aje]

http://sportshandicappingforum.com/s...ad.php?t=19411

http://www.sportswire.com/phl/faq/utb/siarticle.asp

[Shawn01]

Thanks aje....good reading there.

[jumper]

i agree with the above,but i feel there is merit with some outfits.jimmy vaccarro helped me overcome my fear of betting on dogs.it may be wise for a new player to study the type plays a reputable handicapper/lines maker offers over the course of a season then attempt it on their own next year.unfortunately,once you start winning they will always want to upsell another product.another option i use as part of my handicapping is consensus services like the cage report at boxersports.com.line movement has to be respected and the idea behind donbest is to catch the steam early enough to act on it.saturday morning when all the services release their plays you can spot the paying action

[natrass]

The only time I think a tout would be value is if they target the more "unusual" bets where value can be found. I know because I have found a few markets where the odds have been crazy (at W Hill, Eurobet for example) and its been like free money for a few weeks until they realise they are miles off the pace and close those markets.

But, as for, take Wolves to beat Norwich, over 3 goals, etc kind of stuff ... then its all about opinions.

[spanky]

at the okla sports monitor they have to be called or e-mailed before kickoff.

[jentude]

There was this guy named Johnny Demarco, he was hilarious! He had the best telephone ads in the business.