[Aces]

Enough said. The black Jack Game is UnBeatable. I did Ok in Football today jumped into the Casino and made a rather large Contribution to CRIS playing Black Jack. I feel like a total Dumb ASS for playing Black Jack online I live 50 miles from 12 Casinos.

[BigDaddy]

cris is sending you to the superbowl and you start a thread like this? i feel for you but i suggest you have if the book allows you to disable all your casinos its not the cris casino that cost you to lose your money thats the best advice i can give and dont take it the wrong way its friendly advice

[pags11]

I have disabled the casino option in all of my accounts (active or non-active)...including my new account with WSEX...I highly recommend doing it...

[HAPPY BOY]

Ditto, same here. You will only lose your money if you venture in ANY on-line books casino's. Disable it Aces you'll be happy u did trust me on this one!

[jjgold]

They are all rigged including Pinnacle

Stay away

[Ganchrow]

They are all rigged including Pinnacle

Would love to see some evidence of this.

Stay away

Now that's a good idea.

[jjgold]

Ganch if I had evidence I would be rich because then I would extort books to giving me money to keep quiet and let suckers keep playing their.

Ganch I have heard that guy on youtube pretending to me might have amessage today for you, he hinted at it.

[MAB]

I have disabled the casino option in all of my accounts (active or non-active)...including my new account with WSEX...I highly recommend doing it...

Pags, can you do this yourself or do you have to send in a request? Thx.

[Dead Money]

You have to request it.

I also have had all of the casinos diabled in my spotbook accounts.

The mods here @ SBR gave me that advice a long time ago.

Very good advice too I might add.

Has saved me a ton of cash.

Sucks having a great weekend betting and then giving a percentage of it back in a casino where you do not have much of a chance making a profit ( Just my opinion)

Stay away from all of the casinos!!!!

[LVHerbie]

I won a dime off the Cris casino one night and used to make good money clearing casino bonuses (pre US bans of course)... There is a a hand full of rigged casinos out there but most are safe (think sportsbook industry)... One just needs to remember that most likely, when playing a -EV game, your going to lose money...

[slash]

95%+ of the online casinos use software that is 100% fair. That you lose is either due to your stupidity or the fact that the payout ratio for blackjack is around 99-99.5%.

[robmpink]

The majority of people will lose, If I'm not mistaken the casino is set up like a land based slot machine. A certain % of winners. I've won at the casino (whoever Cris has) and lost a lot as well. It is very sound advice to cut the access.

[slash]

The majority of people will lose, If I'm not mistaken the casino is set up like a land based slot machine. A certain % of winners

You can't be more wrong. I can only think of one casino working this way (Slotland with their game Spacejack which is very similar to blackjack).

[Aces]

You guys are all correct

Big Daddy 100 % Dead on (MODS PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE TO STAY OUT OF ONLINE CASINOS.)

Pags I had it disabled after a bad beat a couple of years ago and just recently had it cut back on. Its off for good now and I told them to note my account to never cut it back on.

Happy Boy I feel the same way.

JJ I cant beat it myself and I'm very good at the game.

MAB call the book they will do it for you

Dead Money Smart move I knew this but i reopened mine thats why I'm pissed mostly at myself.

LVHerbie Glad to hear you won it makes me feel like less of a Dumb ASS.

Slash As far as stupidity I have multiple Black Jack tournament wins and when I walk into a Casino all the dealers Pit and Hosts know me I'm a very good player.

Rob I have no idea I do know the video slot machines in Bars are set up on a % usually 75% for the house so of every dollar put in 0.75 is paid to the bar which is then split with the machine owner.

[Starion]

I confess to be one of the foolish ones who have messed with the casino's and got burned many times. Pinnacle I can say for sure is not random. Notice I didn't say "rigged". If anybody still has an account there and wants to try it, I can point out a major bias that really won't take that many play hours to discover. This is for the blackjack game.

First.......splits lose a ton more than they should.

Second......after a player blackjack or certain double downs, the odds of the dealer having a blackjack in the following 3 or so hands is substantial. So substantial that I'd put it in the 25-35% range.

During all the time and money I wasted playing, I never was able to identify any bias that put the player at an advantage. So maybe the better term is 'rigged'.

I didn't have quite as much experience with Chris' casino, but it seemed more fair than Pinnacle that's for sure.

The recommendation to stay away from the casino's is smart.

[pags11]

MAB,

yeah, I believe you have to call in...mansion was the only one that let me do it myself...

[imgv94]

All my Sportsbook Casinos are disabled. Thank God..

[Ganchrow]

JJ I cant beat it myself and I'm very good at the game.

The best you can do at a shuffle-before-each-deal blackjack game is play perfect basic strategy. This, in the case of Cris's IQ Ludorem blackjack game, reduces the house edge to about 0.4858%. It doesnt take skill to do this, there are no choices that need to be made nor externalities that need to be taken in to account. Perfect online blackjack play is solely about mindlessly following basic strategy, the only requirement for doing so being the ability to properly read a chart.

You can't "beat" online blackjack for the same reason you can't "beat" casino roulette. Probability works.

[Ganchrow]

Ganch I have heard that guy on youtube pretending to me might have amessage today for you, he hinted at it.

I'm still waiting ...

[Sam Odom]

IMHO --- The fairest ONLINE casino (craps, BJ & baccarat) is/was BetGameday. A Sq shop which wont allow me to bet sports there anymore so I quit dabbling in their casino.

I was way up over 2yrs in their casino when I quit, maybe just luck, I dont know. Ran 50 up to $300-500 many times.

[robmpink]

You can't be more wrong. I can only think of one casino working this way (Slotland with their game Spacejack which is very similar to blackjack).

I can't be more wrong? Ok. I really don't play black jack in the casino, I play let it ride. I was told by one of the owners, I believe at bestlinesports that is how it works. Maybe he meant in the let it ride game. He said month after month the casino pays out over the % they are supposed to. You have to be an idiot if you think it is as random as a land based casino.

[Aces]

ACES, congrats on winning the BTP contest.

But I got to agree, if you keep badmouthing CRIS here, they may accidently get you tickets to the Iditarod instead of the SB.

I'm not bad mouthing CRIS you American hating Canuk I'm bad mouthing all online casinos. Cris and I get along quite well I even get along with the Casino Manager Eddie hes a hell of a guy who bent over backwards listening to me Bitch. As far as Sports Books go they now get all of my action and they will as long as there here and I'm here. I'm pissed at myself as I stated earlier.
I asked the Mods to change the name of this thread To Stay out of OnLine Casinos. I dont mean to single out Cris even though I did but there Big Boys and they can take it. I think that all of the Casinos OnLine are quite different from land based Casinos. I had my accounts at Pinnacle Cris and every other Book I play with blocked. I love BlackJack as a matter of fact when I get through with this Post I'm headed to the Grand Casino to play. I told the Casino Manager at CRIS that I didn't want a comp I didn't want anything but my Casino disabled. Just so theres no misunderstanding I suggest to any and all players stick to Casinos where you can see the cards. As far as CRIS and I are concerned they'll get a deposit from me Friday as usuall and my Casino is now cut off so we're all friends again. The only Bitch I will have this weekend will be the calls on the field.

[HAPPY BOY]

Well said Aces, glad you saw the light. I too love black jack, but like you said I wanna see the dealer shuffle them bad boys. Unfortunetly in Miami the only way I can play is take one of those boat trips to no where (3 miles off the coast to international waters) or a junkett to the Bahamas, either way too much work f\*\*k it! GL on your casino trip bro.

[Santo]

You have to be an idiot if you think it is as random as a land based casino.

All you're showing here is a lack of industry knowledge.

[tacomax]

You have to be an idiot if you think it is as random as a land based casino.

I'm an idiot, reporting for duty.

[Sam Odom]

Here's my take:

online BJ may have up to 8 deck shoes and most all casinos will shuffle the 'shoe' after EACH hand played. This in itself will cause wider swings in winning and losing for in a reg real game of BJ the gm is of dependent trials unlike dice which is a gm of independent trials. In other words, if an 8 deck shoe is dealt to the last few cards (forget counting) then the swings (winning & losing) would not be as wide.

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[Ganchrow]

You have to be an idiot if you think it is as random as a land based casino.

AWith respect to the major software providers (Microgaming, Playtech, RTG, et. al.) the online random number generators (RNGs) are actually more random than the deterministic pseudorandomization attained by shuffling a shoe 5-10 times.

[Checkerboard]

I got a free casino chips match-a-wager offer from one book. I placed and won a wager and they matched the wager with $1.00 chip credit per dollar wagered. The chip count had to be rolled over twice before being eligible for withdrawl. I sat there playing a $1.00 a hand till I met the roll-over exactly.

I made all plays in accordance to a standard BlackJack play chart. I ended up cashing out with 2/3 the value, which I transferred to my sports book immediately as soon as I met the roll-over. I'd never been in the virtual casino before and have no desire or plans to return.

Since the starting balance was a promotional credit, my cash out was 100% profit. I guess you could consider that winning at an on-line casino, but I'm not going back for more with my own money.

[Ganchrow]

Here's my take:

online BJ may have up to 8 deck shoes and most all casinos will shuffle the 'shoe' after EACH hand played. This in itself will cause wider swings in winning and losing for in a reg real game of BJ the gm is of dependent trials unlike dice which is a gm of independent trials. In other words, if an 8 deck shoe is dealt to the last few cards (forget counting) then the swings (winning & losing) would not be as wide.

While technically true, the effect of this is extremely small and wouldn't be noticeable without performing statistical analysis.

Unless you're counting cards, it's to your advantage that a casino shuffle after every hand.

[BuddyBear]

You might as well say, "stay out of any online casino period." I learned long ago those casinos are rigged. It's bad enough in a brick and mortmer casino...imagine an offshore casino with no accountability.

I disabled my casino access for each of my books....best thing i did or anyone can do.

[Sam Odom]

Unless you're counting cards, it's to your advantage that a casino shuffle after every hand.

I believe in Dr. Thorpe's book or maybe Lawrence Revere's (a pseudonym) it was said in a single deck gm heads up the player has an advantage (very slight) on the first hand dealt. Of course the 2nd hand depends on the cards dealt in the 1st.

[Ganchrow]

I believe in Dr. Thorpe's book or maybe Lawrence Revere's (a pseudonym) it was said in a single deck gm heads up the player has an advantage (very slight) on the first hand dealt.

It is indeed true that certain forms of single-deck blackjack (and even some double-deck) offer the player an edge at the start of each shoe.

This is decidely not true in the general case.

[pags11]

agreed buddybear...

[robmpink]

All you're showing here is a lack of industry knowledge.

All online casinos aren't the same. The casino I usually play is a RTG. Whether it is a 5 Dimes, Bet Jam, Nine, Bestlinesports, Cris, You Wager, and Bet Mania it has all played out the same for me playing let it ride. Unbelievable streaks of losing hands. Sometimes 30 in a row. Sometimes 60 in a row without a "no brainer" winner. Could this happen in a land based casino? Yes, although the odds are very high this will happen. The frequency online happens often.
On the other hand I've hit 2 straigh flushes and 2 4 of a kind in one session. I guess I just must have been lucky. Almost everytime I play I'll get a flush, full house, or 4 of a kind. I could play at a table for 8 hours and not get a hand like this.