[themole]

these guys are a bunch of shady bastards. ill tell you all you want to know, including how chargebacks really work.

[sergfro]

ok tell us

[witswits]

It is very obvious that Betus is a "Stay away at all costs" book.
Had past and many present problems.
Most forums are littered with payout, delays ,no pays and excuses from these crooks.

[Newguyintown]

I got some questions for you, mole.

How do they monitor Prop action? When do they limit you? Is it ongoing if you've won a certain amount or do they not even realize what people are winning until you ask for a cashout. Is there something I can do to make them think I don't win- will they fall for it? Actually I got cut to $30 bets but perhaps I'll be back.....

(These are good questions either specificially for Betus or any other place)

Thanks for the offer!

NG

[CA_Bettor06]

Sure, I have lots of questions:

Are you from the US? How much do you they pay you? Did you ever get stiffed on your paycheck? Were you in Costa Rica? Is it true all the sports books are in the huge office building in San Jose, and the folks that work for BetUS are right across from the folks that work for BetRoyal? Were you in CS or Sales? I still get hounded by sales calls from BetUS.

Also, do they sell customer's email and private info? I'm always getting spammed and I wonder if BetUS is selling my info.

Why did they always push me to deposit with a credit card when I prefer Neteller. Does Neteller charge the sports book more? I would think the credit card would be more costly and much more hassel.

I hated getting calls from their sales people. They all sounded like use car salesmen. They would have gotten more deposits from me if they just didn't call.

Thank you for sharing!

[thejackal]

I want to know the following:

1. Are the owners the Sxxxxxx, you know them as the Rizzos, but their real name is Joseph and Thomas Sxxxxx. Is this true? Where do they live and hide out now?

2. Who is the financial guy there, i heard it was some guy named "Cliff". What is his role there? Is that even his real name.

3. Are they having payment issues. I heard they have big problems with getting their money now.

If they're such big con artists we'd like to know who to look for and how to find the responsible people.

[Shack]

How often were the S******* brothers at the offices? Why do they always say tomorrow, tomorrow, next week, etc. etc when people ask for payouts? Describe that puny Joe Rizzo, aka Howard S*******...that the Feds will be getting soon.

[SBR_John]

Thanks for stopping by Mole. Have you worked there anytime recently?

[themole]

want to know some things about betus or how the industry works. ask away.

[SBR_John]

I'd ask but there are quite a few questions in front of me. How do these shitbooks feel about SBR?

[themole]

yes im from the us and was working in sales in CR. they were paying us $5 per plus commission. the commission was the following. 1.5% on new accounts, 2.5% on winbacks (no movement on an account for 15 days), and .75% on everything else. those commisions only were paid if the cust deposited with the agent. thats why we hound you to call in for deposits. we didnt get commision if it was neteller, the reason why we would discourage it.

they were pretty good about paying us, several times a little late. i am however still missing my commissions from last month, they say they will pay next week, who knows.

not sure what they do with your info in regards to spam.

there were several lists that agents would call from. all new accounts not funded in ten minutes. bust out (crapped out recently). and several others. there was also a real popular list which had tried running a credit card online but it didnt go through. many times the cust just needs to call the bank and rerun, these deposits were gold, all you had to do was get a hold of the custumer because they were already putting in money, and the call seemed like you were more cust support than sales.

yes most of the agents there are terrible. a lot of the americans are the used cars sales types, not exactly the most educated workforce. i was one of a few with a college degree.

Originally Posted by CA_Bettor06

Sure, I have lots of questions:

Are you from the US? How much do you they pay you? Did you ever get stiffed on your paycheck? Were you in Costa Rica? Is it true all the sports books are in the huge office building in San Jose, and the folks that work for BetUS are right across from the folks that work for BetRoyal? Were you in CS or Sales? I still get hounded by sales calls from BetUS.

Also, do they sell customer's email and private info? I'm always getting spammed and I wonder if BetUS is selling my info.

Why did they always push me to deposit with a credit card when I prefer Neteller. Does Neteller charge the sports book more? I would think the credit card would be more costly and much more hassel.

I hated getting calls from their sales people. They all sounded like use car salesmen. They would have gotten more deposits from me if they just didn't call.

Thank you for sharing!

[themole]

no idea who cliff is. supposedly joey and tommy are the head guys, but seems like there might be someone higher than them. have no idea where they are these days. they are actually very young, and not real bright. joey has been heard on speaker yelling at the manager saying crazy shit, should i kill myself, should i just kill myself, stuff like that. i only saw them one time in the office in the six months i was there.

Originally Posted by thejackal

I want to know the following:

1. Are the owners the Sxxxxxxxx, you know them as the Rizzos, but their real name is Joseph and Thomas Sxxxxxxx. Is this true? Where do they live and hide out now?

2. Who is the financial guy there, i heard it was some guy named "Cliff". What is his role there? Is that even his real name.

3. Are they having payment issues. I heard they have big problems with getting their money now.

If they're such big con artists we'd like to know who to look for and how to find the responsible people.

[themole]

they monitor winners pretty good, dont think you can fool them. have no idea how they monitor prop action. i would not suggest going back at this point, the book is very unsecure right now.

Originally Posted by Newguyintown

I got some questions for you, mole.

How do they monitor Prop action? When do they limit you? Is it ongoing if you've won a certain amount or do they not even realize what people are winning until you ask for a cashout. Is there something I can do to make them think I don't win- will they fall for it? Actually I got cut to $30 bets but perhaps I'll be back.....

(These are good questions either specificially for Betus or any other place)

Thanks for the offer!

NG

[themole]

dont know the sxxxxxxx boys very well, they are never in the office. they say tmr, next week, blah blah so they can delay paying you. the longer the money is in your account the more chance you will gamble it away and lose it.

Originally Posted by Shack

How often were the Sxxxxx brothers at the offices? Why do they always say tomorrow, tomorrow, next week, etc. etc when people ask for payouts? Describe that puny Joe Rizzo, aka Howard Sxxxx...that the Feds will be getting soon.

[themole]

up until a week ago i was working. i have no idea what the know/think of SBR.

im not a gambler, so this might be obvious, but do you guys realize how these chargebacks with credit cards work. its funny at betus, if you use a cc they say you need a copy of your cc front and back, your license and a signed voucher before payout. all the paperwork is total bullshit, they just do that to scare you. the truth is you can make thousands of charges and payouts and have up to six months to chargeback with your cc company. the bottom line is betus cant dispute the claim because they cant say who they are. the only negative is that you will probably be blacklisted. and other sportsbooks help each other out by compiling a list of people who have done chargebacks.

Originally Posted by SBR_John

I'd ask but there are quite a few questions in front of me. How do these shitbooks feel about SBR?

[witswits]

I recently had a nightmare with BETUS and Sharkcasino. How are they connected cause you can call Betus and ask to be transfered to sharkcasino. I did a whois.com and it shows they are owned by the same company.
What was the real reason they denied payouts from 1-22-06 till 1-03-07. They accepted deposits and would not pay.
What is Kevin Kings title
What is Robert Eddy's Title
Did you see any of the owners in the last month or two?
Does a large payout require 4 or 5 signatures?
Is everyone in management in Canada because the feds are on them in Costa?

[Chuck Sims]

themole, what % of customers that win does BetUS screw with? All, 90%, 75%, 50%?

[witswits]

What other companies does BETUS have its hands in besides Sharkcasino.

[themole]

yup same company, omni, betreduction, sharkcasino, sportsgambling, betus and betuscasino are all one. who knows why they didnt accept payouts. a lot of rumors about them having financial problems, but i dont think thats it, because if that was the case they wouldnt have paid a bunch of illegal working americans that they just laid off. i think it was just a typical ploy, they know theres a lot of bowl games, the longer you keep that money in there the more likely you will blow it. I SAW IT ALL THE TIME.

in mid december they had told us that "us marshalls were rumored to be in costa rica looking to raid books, therefore as precaution all americans had to leave indefinitely. a few came back and worked again for a couple weeks, then they told them again that they had to leave (which was actually their final dismissal) and as of yesterday dropped their costarica phoneline. the managment has concidentally been in cananda every since the first news that "us marsahlls were in the country". bottom line is they were planning to shut down the cr office all along but did not want to leak to employees. im pretty sure that ron devine is and has been in CR most of the time, but then again who knows. my theory is that a few of them are actually in panama or some place else setting up a new office. kevin king was pretty firm about always keeping two sales offices open because thats how BETONS went down.

keving king is one of the few guys in the company that knows his shit and is actually smart. dont know his official title but he is one of the main guys that makes the opperation go. as far as i know robert eddy is the equivalent of canadas kevin king.

have not see the owners since september.

never heard the signature deal with large payouts. not sure.

Originally Posted by witswits

I recently had a nightmare with BETUS and Sharkcasino. How are they connected cause you can call Betus and ask to be transfered to sharkcasino. I did a whois.com and it shows they are owned by the same company.
What was the real reason they denied payouts from 1-22-06 till 1-03-07. They accepted deposits and would not pay.
What is Kevin Kings title
What is Robert Eddy's Title
Did you see any of the owners in the last month or two?
Does a large payout require 4 or 5 signatures?
Is everyone in management in Canada because the feds are on them in Costa?

[themole]

yup same company, omni, betreduction, sharkcasino, sportsgambling, betus and betuscasino are all one. who knows why they didnt accept payouts. a lot of rumors about them having financial problems, but i dont think thats it, because if that was the case they wouldnt have paid a bunch of illegal working americans that they just laid off. i think it was just a typical ploy, they know theres a lot of bowl games, the longer you keep that money in there the more likely you will blow it. I SAW IT ALL THE TIME.

in mid december they had told us that "us marshalls were rumored to be in costa rica looking to raid books, therefore as precaution all americans had to leave indefinitely. a few came back and worked again for a couple weeks, then they told them again that they had to leave (which was actually their final dismissal) and as of yesterday dropped their costarica phoneline. the managment has concidentally been in cananda every since the first news that "us marsahlls were in the country". bottom line is they were planning to shut down the cr office all along but did not want to leak to employees. im pretty sure that ron devine is and has been in CR most of the time, but then again who knows. my theory is that a few of them are actually in panama or some place else setting up a new office. kevin king was pretty firm about always keeping two sales offices open because thats how BETONS went down.

keving king is one of the few guys in the company that knows his shit and is actually smart. dont know his official title but he is one of the main guys that makes the opperation go. as far as i know robert eddy is the equivalent of canadas kevin king.

have not see the owners since september.

never heard the signature deal with large payouts. not sure.

Originally Posted by witswits

I recently had a nightmare with BETUS and Sharkcasino. How are they connected cause you can call Betus and ask to be transfered to sharkcasino. I did a whois.com and it shows they are owned by the same company.
What was the real reason they denied payouts from 1-22-06 till 1-03-07. They accepted deposits and would not pay.
What is Kevin Kings title
What is Robert Eddy's Title
Did you see any of the owners in the last month or two?
Does a large payout require 4 or 5 signatures?
Is everyone in management in Canada because the feds are on them in Costa?

[themole]

it depends. even if you have never requested a payout, you could have problems. i had people who couldnt continue depositing because they didnt have the paperwork up to date. they get nervous with these guys because of chargebacks.

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

themole, what % of customers that win does BetUS screw with? All, 90%, 75%, 50%?

[thejackal]

I can tell from your replies, you are the real thing. Here's what I know, my g/f used to be there. This is real stuff:

- Howie or Joseph or whomever is the real owner along with his brother Thomas, Tommy or whomever. The other guys Kevin King , Robert Eddy are senior employees but they have no ownership in the company. However they deserve to be arrested along with the Spielmans.

- Yep that's Howie all right, "I'm goign to kill myself", he's a manic depressive psycho. Gamblign can do that to you and he's been known to do some really bad things. I'm sure you all know the story in how he had some of his disloyal employees "damaged" and how he beat up those hookers he hangs with . these are seriously bad people with serious problems.

- Yep you're right, there's nothing they can do about chargebacks. One thing that's been known is that the people who do have your credit card info, it's on a file and many people have access to it, sell them to brokers who sell to Asian crime groups for credit card reprinting. So watch out if you sent your credit card over there, you'll see a lot of charges soon.

- They have no financial problems, it's they claim to to stiff employees, they hide their money in offshore banks all around so in case they get caught.

- They don't give much of a shit to SBR, b/c they are not trying to get sharps (who read the boards) they're trying to get straight bettors and those are the ones they telemarket, unsuspecting public who know nothing about this board.

- They hide in Canada or wherever they need to be. Eventually these will be the next guys taken down, Howie's going to have a great time become bars.

[thejackal]

I know from well informed sources that "Joey" said he "wanted Dozer's head on a platter". He can buy off a lot of the other forums (see g911) but not SBR. Kudos to you and theRX.

[SBR_John]

Thanks guys. Excellent information.

[themole]

my pleasure, these guys have screwed a lot of people so this is my only way to hopefully cause some damage, i know it wont do too much.

[Shack]

Mole,

What time period did you work there? I've said several times I'd like to beat the hell out of that scrawny mutt Joe Rizzo, feds know him as Howard Sxxxxx.....his day is coming.

[themole]

i worked there the past six months. its funny because when i first started the job i thought about starting a blog. i should have, including taking notes and ratting these guys out, i probably would have made a lot more money that way.

[ScotchTape]

Originally Posted by Shack

Mole,

What time period did you work there? I've said several times I'd like to beat the hell out of that scrawny mutt Joe Rizzo, feds know him as Howard Sxxxxx.....his day is coming.

It's nice to see this forum promotes posting private personal info over the net! "Only time until someone does have someones head on a platter"

scum or not his legal name don't belong.

[witswits]

BETREDUCTION is BETUS?????
UNREAL as that was one of the ones I was considering reloading at.
I actually liked that site, low limits on plays was a problem.
Heres the funny part. I assumed they were considered more legit then BETUS and then my lack of research shows them a D rating again. Same rating as BETUS with simular problems. Y
BETUS's true colors showed at that site also.

SAVED ME AND MY FUNDS ON THIS.
GREAT INFO AND I DO THANK YOU.

[SBR_John]

Good point Scotch...

Can a mod please xxx out Howards last name and lets prevent real last names from being posted.

[Chuck Sims]

Originally Posted by ScotchTape

It's nice to see this forum promotes posting private personal info over the net! "Only time until someone does have someones head on a platter"

scum or not his legal name don't belong.

Howard Sxxxxxxx is a crook. Just as Navtej Kxxxxx's name is posted for the same reason. These scumbags have stolen alot of money from bettors.

To suggest these scumbags deserve protection is lunacy.

[pags11]

mole,

thanks for all of this info...excellent stuff...

[thejackal]

My sentiments exactly. These people not only cheat players, they physically assault competitors, assault on women. See http://forum.therx.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=betus

this incident is totally accurate but it misses the fact that he had her beat up after the incident.

So why would we want to protect this lowlife scum. The feds are on to him anyway and a lot of people want to see him punished severely.

Originally Posted by Chuck Sims

Howard Sxxxxxxx is a crook. Just as Navtej Kxxxxx's name is posted for the same reason. These scumbags have stolen alot of money from bettors.

To suggest these scumbags deserve protection is lunacy.

[turnip]

does it seem funny to anyone else that "the mole" and "the jackal" signed up on the same day?

Just thought that was.....funny.

Thanks though, the more people that know betus is crap, the better

[SBR_John]

What is going on at their Office centro location? You have tolda us there were layoffs, do you guys think that location is closing?