[themole]

absolutely. like i mentioned almost everyone there has been laid off, sales and team leaders included, plus the obvious indication is that they lost their phone line the other day. if you cant call there to make a deposit, it must be closing.

[SBR_John]

We have heard Canada does not want them either. Do you have any idea where the bookmaking operation is now?

[Thrillseeker]

Do they have a list of winners that they screen against new signup names? I know several people that got "backroomed" on the phone when they signed up...a couple were even told don't bother signing up, we don't want your action...I've heard a list of winners names is circulated among the lower tier books that boot pretty quickly?

[themole]

the rumor around the office in late november was that the cananda office was going to shut down in january. obviously that didnt happen and it was just the opposite. it doesnt appear canada is shutting down anytime soon. kevin king has always strongly urged the owners to always have two sales offices because thats how BETON took their hit. my guess is canada will stay as is and CR will move to panama city.

We have heard Canada does not want them either. Do you have any idea where the bookmaking operation is now?

[themole]

kind of. all these books help protect each other and yes there are lists of big players, problem players..., but as far as screening new names they dont screen every new signup, so a lot might slip through. it depends too on deposits, if its a big deposit and especially if its via CC its going to draw more flags.

what they have been real strict on of late is what they call iovation. they are screening a lot to make sure accounts arent under the same IP address, if so forget any type of bonus.

im pretty honest, but what i would have done if i knew my time was coming to an end sooner than planned is to put in a ton of referral bonuses in peoples accounts. i could have easily hooked up tons of people with referral bonuses and gotten away with it.

Do they have a list of winners that they screen against new signup names? I know several people that got "backroomed" on the phone when they signed up...a couple were even told don't bother signing up, we don't want your action...I've heard a list of winners names is circulated among the lower tier books that boot pretty quickly?

[themole]

it amazed me how dumb most of these players were. i would offer guys all the time to explain to them the little loopholes on the bonuses, but they would never care and instead take a huge bonus with a monster rollover. i just dont get it, whats the point of a bonus if you will never be able to get a payout, then again i guess being rational and gambling dont really go hand in hand.

[Chuck Sims]

I know what you mean themole. The handwriting was on the wall with BetOnSports and their group of stiff books.

Before they went under, BOS was stiffing people more than usual. Posters warning players to stay away or they'll be next. That still did not stop people from flushing their $ down the drain to BOS/Millennium.

[Shack]

It's nice to see this forum promotes posting private personal info over the net! "Only time until someone does have someones head on a platter"

scum or not his legal name don't belong.

Every sportsbook has my info and anytime a scum ass con man gets free exposure so be it. Joey Rizzo's fed manhunt name is Howard.......he shares the same last name of the very good white Lions linebacker that retired about 5 years ago that was named "Chris" Sp.......

[magnavox]

[themole]

have no clue about that, have never heard anything like that.

mole, can you comment on what thejackal wrote about CC fraud? Should I be worried?

"One thing that's been known is that the people who do have your CC info, it's on a file and many people have access to it, sell them to brokers who sell to Asian crime groups for CC reprinting. So watch out if you sent your CC over there, you'll see a lot of charges soon."

[witswits]

I never used ************ to fund offshore and I now see one of the reasons I am thankful I did not. I would call CC company and close these accounts right away if Betus has the info. You may want to go back and see if any bogus charges was made to them from BETUS and there affiliates.
Past experience with BETUS's other companies was the worst nightmare I could imagine.
They give all offshore outlets a terrible name.

[thejackal]

In regards to CC fraud all I can say is that my g/f who worked there, she knew many of the staff who would sell the player database including CC numbers to anybody who would pay. As most of these records are easily accessible and can be printed on paper format or downloaded to a USB memory it's not hard to do at all. There are many operators including some of the higher up managers that used to sell the data. The salaries are about $1000 /mo and if they can sell data for 5x or 10x their monthly salary they'd do it for sure. Organized crime will normally pay $5-$10 per real name for cc details and make about $750-$1000 per card so there's big money in this. You got to remember this is CR, a $1000/mo is a lot of money but $20 or $30K can buy you a house. It's a lot of money if you sell a dbase and get your house paid off.

You can find these sellers in many online forums and through direct contacts in Costa Rica. In fact a funny story is that the CS staff used to order food using customer ************. It happens all the time, just consider yourself lucky if it didn't happen.

As for the Asian crime groups, yeah for sure as they are responsible for most of the CC reproduction business. They are active in Costa Rica in buying CC numbers.

This is why you don't use ************ with online gaming companies. Use e-wallets if you can like Neteller.

[Hoja Verdes]

Wow, this thread has it all. Simply amazing.

[Newguyintown]

5K BetUS Cashout- less than 24 hours. No emails, no phone chats, just appeared. A friend of mine reported this.

New Guy

[witswits]

I say these are at the top based on name and complaints to get shut down. It would cost too much to bring there Rep. to a C rating and I say either the U.S. Gov. gets them or they use a excuse after the SB to keep all funds and close up.
Managers/Owners are scattered all over and when the first one gets picked up all will flee. I am sure they have monies scattered already for when the Feds show up.

[Babel]

The books reputation among it's clients won't have anything to do wtih the order they're shut down. If the government goes after the sites they'll push for the biggest first. They do afterall have the most money coming and going at a given time