[RogueScholar]

I notice they're not in the SBR ratings guide, but they are based in Australia and accept American clients and allow you to wager in US Dollars, accepting **** and ********** for deposits. Anyone dealt with them in the past, positively or negatively? How about current players?

[RogueScholar]

Could I get this linked to the S&I forum? Looks like nobody in Players Talk has anything to say about them...

[sportscash]

they recently changed there name from sportsacumen to sportsalive.I have used them for over 3 years with no problems always got payed.

[sportscash]

If you need more info let me know

[sportsbetwin]

They are actually a Merger of Sports Accumen and Global Sportsbet.

Are you sure they accept U.S clients? I could be wrong but i don't know of any Australian sportsbooks that accept U.S players.

Juice is better than most and they allow spread betting (also known as margin betting) which I don't believe is offered by any offshore sportsbooks.

Very safe.

[smitch124]

Nice find Roguey

[RogueScholar]

Originally Posted by sportsbetwin

They are actually a Merger of Sports Accumen and Global Sportsbet.

Are you sure they accept U.S clients? I could be wrong but i don't know of any Australian sportsbooks that accept U.S players.

Juice is better than most and they allow spread betting (also known as margin betting) which I don't believe is offered by any offshore sportsbooks.

Very safe.

Thanks so much for the info, sportsbetwin. And yes, I've e-mailed them and they confirm that they accept US customers and that's why they have US Dollar as a currency selection in their account options. This is the first I've heard of an Aussie book doing that as well, which is why I thought it prudent to ask around and ascertain their reputation first.

I found them on OddsPortal a couple days ago while price shopping for a tennis match. I was playing the dog so I found a better number on Matchy, but they stood out because they had a better price than Pinny in that match, and also for three other matches that day! I'm not saying it's that hard to beat the Pinny line in tennis, but to find a "Euro" book that does it daily and accepts ****/********** deposits struck me as unusual.

Thanks to sportscash for vouching that they are reputable, I think I'm just gonna throw a couple hundred in there and give them a whirl. With these prices it should be fairly easy to make a little money and try a cash-out. I'll report back to you guys when I do and let you know what the process was like.

SBR - Is there a reason why these guys aren't in your rating guide? Are you guys always updating the guide or only when books request it?

[sportscash]

no worries rougescholar i mainly use them for australian horseracing but they do occasionly have top price on a range of sports so i find them a good addition to my arsenal.There are a few other aussie books i use but sportsalive are one of my favs.

[sportsbetwin]

Hey RogueScholar - being a doubting Thomas I had to check for myself - and you are 100% correct!

They are the only Aussie book that I am now aware take US customers.

I am in Aust and have been thinking of adding them to my book collection. As far as i am concerned my $$$ are much safer here than alot of the A rated books on SBR. Odds better too. Can't comment about payout speed.

Aust books are highly regulated and you certainly wont get the soliciting phone call crap.

They are based in Canberra and under ACT (Canberra) law they cannot offer bonuses anymore but they are looking at otheravenues to make their book atttractive.

This is a genuine new alternative for you Americans! It also has a new option - Spread Betting (not ATS).

Good Luck

[sportscash]

payout next buisness day via bank transfer.

[GoodOldTed]

have used them for years (in previous and current form), very good book but heavily weighted towards local events - i.e. don't expect much/any college sport there. The boss is Gerard Daffy who set up Centrebet many years ago, the best known sports bookie in Aus and highly regarded. Licence in still in the ACT but I think much of their stuff is done from Melbourne now (in former offices of Global). If you've ever been to Canberra, you'd understand why..

[RogueScholar]

A lot of really good information here, I'm in debt to all of you.

I kinda figured that they would focus on Australian sports, but tennis is really a world sport and I'm always looking for new outs. Sometimes it's just price shopping, but other times it's that so many books that have respectable tennis lines have low limits and so having multiple outs becomes a necessity to achieve the optimal stake size.

Obviously Centrebet is a watchword among reputable books and hearing that the same man is/was behind both outfits is yet another mark in their favor. Is there a handy explanation why Sports Alive is able to accept US clients and Centrebet isn't? It really doesn't affect my decision to post-up there, more just a pique of curiosity on my part.

As far as this "spread betting" is concerned I haven't looked into it too deeply yet, but it seems to be an analogue for what we call "action points" in the States. Basically you pick a value per point and then your win/loss becomes a multiple of the difference between the actual score and the spread, multiplied by your point value. Would this be an accurate assessment of things?

[fiveteamer]

LOL of course you didn't hear about them, they don't advertise on SBR.

There are 8764 BetPhoenix threads, though.

[sportsbetwin]

Canberra is a great place if you like big roundabouts!

It sounds very similar to action points although not exactly the same. The explanation below comes from the Sports Alive website. Scorelines in Rugby are comparable to NFL so you can substitute any 2 nfl teams in the example given (I don't think they do spread betting on NFL though). Let me know if this is the same as action points. I have not bet this way as risks/rewards may be increased dramatically. I'm curious about it!

What is Spread Betting?

Spread Betting is an unfixed bet type that enables the punter to predict an outcome of a match or event and back their judgement against the "Spread" quoted by Sports Alive.
The "Spread" is a scoring range created by Sports Alive on a specific event or match. If you believe this spread is too high or too low you buy or sell accordingly.
Buying: If you believe the Spread is too low then you "buy" meaning that for every point over the spread the result is, you win (or lose) by multiplying your stake by the difference between the top of the spread and the result.
Selling: If you believe the Spread is too high then you "sell" meaning that for every point under the spread the final result is, you win (or lose) by multiplying your stake by the difference between the bottom of the spread and the final result.

Take a Rugby International game played between Australia and England in Sydney. Our quote is: Australia / England 7-9. In this case Australia are first named because Sports Alive regards them as the favourites to beat England, by a margin of between 7 and 9 points. Your options are: ·

If you expect Australia to triumph by more than 9 points, you buy at 9, stating your unit stake.·

If you think Australia's winning margin will be less than 7 points, or fancy England to win, you sell at 7.

Now consider these example outcomes:

Example 1: Australia beat England 35 to 3. Australia’s winning margin is therefore 32.

If you bought at 9, for $10 a point, you have won: 32 minus 9 = 23 x $10 = $230.

If you sold at 7, for the same unit stake, you have lost: 32 minus 7 = 25 x $10 = $250.

Example 2: England beat Australia 14 to 12. Australia's winning margin is therefore -2.

If you bought at 9, for $10 a point, you have lost: 9 minus -2 = 11 x $10 = $110.

If you sold at 7, for the same unit stake, you have won: 7 minus -2 = 9 x $10 = $90.

[RogueScholar]

This is precisely how action points are processed at North American books, my colleague, however a range of points is not included. The precise figure used for ATS betting is the number used to calculate the win or loss, not a range of numbers from which either the "top" or "bottom" is selected. Essentially though, we're discussing the exact same wagering phenomenon.

Fiver - I know exactly what you mean. I didn't want to sound so uncouth as to suggest that they haven't paid SBR a sufficient amount to be mentioned and rated over here. However, in my drunken/stoned condition now, I confess to that being precisely what I was thinking. Perhaps if Sports Alive were to donate 3 bottles of cognac to the Bash Raffle, they would receive greater recogntion here.

[topgame85]

How do US clients get payouts from these guys?, why can they accept US players but other aussies can't? How does an online book offer action points when they are post up, what if something ridiculous happens and you owe the book like 5k or something on a HUGE blowout

[RogueScholar]

Apparently they do wire payouts if you fund that way, or just a regular bank check if you fund via CC.

I have no idea what makes them special, but if they've found a loophole, I'm impressed.

Many online books offer action points, limiting the max payout of the wager to the available balance of the account at the time the wager is placed. Since the player can't win more than he is able to lose the book isn't assuming an unreasonable risk in offering the wager.

[noyb]

sbr doesn't rate a large majority of euro, aussie and asian books, so that's nothing special.

[rookie]

Make sure you are ready to send them the copies of documents for ID verification.

https://www.sportsalive.com/index.ph...p1809_pageid=7
ID REQUIREMENTS

In accordance with government requirements all customers must provide 100 points of identification. This may consist of scans/copies of any of the following:

• Current Passport or Birth Certificate (70 points)
• Current Drivers Licence showing current address (40 points)
• ID card with photo and signature issued to a student at a tertiary education institution (40 points)
• Medicare Card or CC (25 points)
• Telephone, Electricity or Gas Bill showing current address (25 points)
For further information, please visit the Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (AUSTRAC) site - http://www.austrac.gov.au/
This identification is required to ensure proof of age requirements are met and identity is verified. You need to forward this information prior to your first withdrawal or within a month of opening your Sports Alive account via:
Administration Office
FAX: +61 3 9690 9115,
POST: PO Box 321 Port Melbourne VIC 3207, or
EMAIL: sa@sportsalive.com

[RogueScholar]

Piece of cake, I actually have an encrypted folder on my hard drive with scans of my passport and drivers license just for sending to books. Verifying my identity to receive a payout actually puts my mind at ease, just like when they check my ID at a bank branch that I don't normally use. Their vigilance is an extension of my own vigilance.

[Snowman]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/site-sugge...ortsalive.html

[RogueScholar]

Wow, that thread is not at all what I hoped to hear...

[Snowman]

Maybe I gonna lose my 4200 usd

[aggieshawn]

tough to withdrawl for all the id required.

[SportGirl]

What about Latin American player? could we play there?