[B1Bomber]

Tursonov -350 today retires immediately after 1st game of 2nd set, so all the one-set books settle up. Obviously some Russian mobsters cleaned up. But now, just a few hours later, he's "well" enough to play doubles and already up a set?
I had no wager on the match, but they're all the same: Davydenko, Tursonov, Youzhny, Safin, etc. all tied in with the Russian mob. They're all crooks and cheaters.

[betplom]

Note to self: do not bet on Russian tennis.

[SBR Lou]

People that don't bet tennis will think this sounds like some kind of "omg referees are rigged" kind of thing, but sadly, this is a very real part of tennis in that culture.

[pico]

you should play tennis at oly. they require 2 complete sets.

[MilfDriller]

gulbis = vagina
safin = vagina
safina = vagina (literally)
youzhny = vagina

slavic people... tisk tisk

[B1Bomber]

And there you go...Tursonov wins his doubles match 6-2 6-4.

[Slim]

Originally Posted by B1Bomber

Tursonov -350 today retires immediately after 1st game of 2nd set, so all the one-set books settle up. Obviously some Russian mobsters cleaned up. But now, just a few hours later, he's "well" enough to play doubles and already up a set?
I had no wager on the match, but they're all the same: Davydenko, Tursonov, Youzhny, Safin, etc. all tied in with the Russian mob. They're all crooks and cheaters.

Everytime I see this, this song comes to mind.

[MilfDriller]

Slim is a cool cat.

[Slim]

Yea everytime I see one of those russian players lose as big chalk or retire early I always say Whodunnit? Who stole the money? Whodunnit?

[rake922]

What's it mean to retire early? Just throw in a towel and go home?

[Mudcat]

Usually when forum people start talking about fixes and conspiracies I just roll my eyes, but after the Davydenko thing, I don't doubt something is going on here.

[Johnny 55]

Tursunov actually grew up in Northern California, other than playing Davis Cup for Russia he has no connection with the country. He lives in Sacramento and grew up in the Bay area attending Menlo High School, a small private school. I played against him in high school and at several junior and Men's Open tournaments in Northern California and he is a good guy and I guarantee he is not connected to Russian mobsters. I played in a number of challengers and there are definitely guys who tank and I know for a fact there are a number of guys ranked between 50-150 that are from Russian and a couple other places that are on the take.

Tennis is definitely the most corrupt sport in relation to betting. Think about it. Guys ranked between #50-200 barely make 6 figures, some way less than that, now throw in a coach, travel expenses and remember nothing is guaranteed, you are only payed by performance and you really dont make that much. Let's also add in that just by changing tactics you can throw a match, you could physically try as hard as you can and still make sure you lose the match just by shot selection, placement, etc. Trust me, it is really easy to throw a match and no one would ever know.

Another crazy thing about tennis which is so funny and no one ever publicizes is that tennis players take so much money in college under the table and no one will ever get suspended or banned from the NCAA because nobody cares. I attended a very prominent tennis powerhouse in Southern California and during the summer I made about $10,000 from playing Men's Open tournaments and I took the money from every tounament and I won money even in high school, which would have made me way more ineligible than a lot of the basketball guys who get themselves and their programs banned from the NCAA.

Anyways, if you knew a couple guys in the locker room you would always know who was hurt and who is just showing up at that tournament for a paycheck, Kafelnikov was a master of tanking and made millions tanking matches, look at his years on tour, played more tournaments than anyone else and was in the top 5 so odds when he dumped were beautiful for the Russian mob and whoever else knew he was dumping in the first rounds of a run of the mill ATP tournament.

[B1Bomber]

And how about that...the Russian quits against another Russian.

[RogueScholar]

Actually he retired 5 games all in the first set, so all bets were refunded. I agree it was shady, and I had Andreev so I wish he would've waited until the second set to retire and I could've made some money.

[B1Bomber]

First-ball books were not refunded, actually.

[cuteboy86hi]

i always seem to be on the wrong end of injury related matches....the russians quit when i am against them and south americans dont quit when i'm on them.

gonzalez was bleeding against delpo still played the whole game so i loose the bet

[B1Bomber]

I once met John Isner when he played for Georgia...seemed like a real nice kid...I always pull for him.

Originally Posted by Johnny 55

Tursunov actually grew up in Northern California, other than playing Davis Cup for Russia he has no connection with the country. He lives in Sacramento and grew up in the Bay area attending Menlo High School, a small private school. I played against him in high school and at several junior and Men's Open tournaments in Northern California and he is a good guy and I guarantee he is not connected to Russian mobsters. I played in a number of challengers and there are definitely guys who tank and I know for a fact there are a number of guys ranked between 50-150 that are from Russian and a couple other places that are on the take.

Tennis is definitely the most corrupt sport in relation to betting. Think about it. Guys ranked between #50-200 barely make 6 figures, some way less than that, now throw in a coach, travel expenses and remember nothing is guaranteed, you are only payed by performance and you really dont make that much. Let's also add in that just by changing tactics you can throw a match, you could physically try as hard as you can and still make sure you lose the match just by shot selection, placement, etc. Trust me, it is really easy to throw a match and no one would ever know.

Another crazy thing about tennis which is so funny and no one ever publicizes is that tennis players take so much money in college under the table and no one will ever get suspended or banned from the NCAA because nobody cares. I attended a very prominent tennis powerhouse in Southern California and during the summer I made about $10,000 from playing Men's Open tournaments and I took the money from every tounament and I won money even in high school, which would have made me way more ineligible than a lot of the basketball guys who get themselves and their programs banned from the NCAA.

Anyways, if you knew a couple guys in the locker room you would always know who was hurt and who is just showing up at that tournament for a paycheck, Kafelnikov was a master of tanking and made millions tanking matches, look at his years on tour, played more tournaments than anyone else and was in the top 5 so odds when he dumped were beautiful for the Russian mob and whoever else knew he was dumping in the first rounds of a run of the mill ATP tournament.

[RogueScholar]

Originally Posted by B1Bomber

First-ball books were not refunded, actually.

Those exist? Who are they and do they take American players? I've never found a book like that.

[dennisback]

bet-at-home but dont think any1 had tursunov.. he was 1-6 h2h vs. andreev

[jjgold]

I would only bet top matches in later rounds and if bet early rounds bet all the dogs except in womens tennis where favs hold up more.

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

Originally Posted by Johnny 55

I played against him in high school and at several junior and Men's Open tournaments in Northern California and he is a good guy and I guarantee he is not connected to Russian mobsters.

you cannot "guarantee" anything regarding this situation. "I played against him and he's a good guy" does not mean he's above this. FYI.

[yisman]

Davydenko has been fixing matches for years, and every tennis match that involves a Russian possibly has shady action going on.

Never bet a Russian as big chalk, and try to only bet using books that require 2 sets or more.

[EaglesPhan36]

The golden rule of tennis is NEVER, EVER, NEVER bet on a match involving two Russians. You might as well just light your money on fire rather than figure it out.