[Ganchrow]

I believe Jay Edgar already referenced this elsewhere, but I think this is important enough to merit a thread of its own.

CRIS customer service has told me that these rules will be reflected on their website sometime within the next few days.

Originally Posted by CRIS Customer Service

In the past there has been some confusion about calculating the roll over. Here are the new guidelines:

The lesser amount, between the risk and win, is used in the roll over calculation. Just like the bonus points are calculated.

So if the customer risks $110 to win $100, that is $100 towards his roll over.

If the customer risks $180 to win $100, that is $100 towards his roll over.

If the customer risks $100 to win $500, that is $100 towards his roll over.

The next rule is very important. Any money lines over -200 do not count towards the roll over at all.

So a client that risks $200 to win $100, $100 goes towards his roll over. If the wager is risking $201 to win $100, over -200, then it does not count at all. $0 towards his roll over.

What this implies is that if you're just trying to get through a rollover, you'd be be best served staying away from any wager paying less than even odds.

[moses millsap]

I thought this was always their rule except for that ML one, which is the same rule at Greek/BetJM I believe. I know they run this for LP, going off the base amount wagered.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by OWNED

I thought this was always their rule except for that ML one, which is the same rule at Greek/BetJM I believe. I know they run this for LP, going off the base amount wagered.

Up until about last Sunday CRIS strictly used risk amount to calculate rollover.

Not any more ...

[moses millsap]

Originally Posted by Ganchrow

Up until about last Sunday CRIS used risk amount to calculate rollover.

Not any more ...

I'm usually betting MLs anyways. Rollovers take no more than 3-5 days in my experience, just always deposit the max needed for the max bonus they'll offer.

[Aces]

Good Post thanks for the info.

[BuddyBear]

Thanks....

[tacomax]

Thanks...

[denn333]

i can't complain.

[pags11]

thanks for this info...

[patswin]

Thanks For Posting

[aca]

Nice info!

[Stumpage]

Informative info, plus as a bonus no mention of the term JJ.....Oops

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by Ganchrow

What this implies is that if you're just trying to get through a rollover, you'd be be best served staying away from any wager paying less than even odds.

I kind of get where you're coming from on a strictly mathematical level but in practice, that is not how things work out for me. I have completed many a rollover in my time and they almost always end up being a mish-mash of odds. It just depends where opportunity knocks.

[Bill Dozer]

All of the high limit leaders do this now, even Pinnacle with their nickel bonus. It's unfortunate the "rollover" has evolved into something slightly different for every book but then again, deposit bonuses are an endangered species. Even the recreational books aren't able to give what they did in 04-05. The rewards programs are the future imo.

[BuddyBear]

Thanks Bill.....

[slacker00]

Thanks for the info.

Why can't books just give you a running total if you've got a bonus pending. eg. Just put an indicator under "my account" or whatever that you've got 350/600 WR pending. I know it's not that tough to do the math yourself, but in this age of technology, can't they just do it so I can check it on the fly. Some places do this already, such as Betsson.

[pags11]

I have to agree with Bill...unless a bonus is just ridiculous (and it's from a good book), I just stick to low juice wagering from pinny and matchbook...

[spliff]

Originally Posted by slacker00

Thanks for the info.

Why can't books just give you a running total if you've got a bonus pending. eg. Just put an indicator under "my account" or whatever that you've got 350/600 WR pending. I know it's not that tough to do the math yourself, but in this age of technology, can't they just do it so I can check it on the fly. Some places do this already, such as Betsson.

fantastic thought- I was sure I had met my rollover requirements at a diff book a few weeks ago, only to find out after I made the w/d request that I was a grand shy. Not a big deal, but it doesn't make sense for the customer to keep records that for whatever reason don't match the book's(I say my #'s were dead on). Whatever though, in the end I made a few extra bucks in the additional $1000 worth of wager and increased my w/d

[tacomax]

Thanks...

[moses millsap]

Originally Posted by spliff

fantastic thought- I was sure I had met my rollover requirements at a diff book a few weeks ago, only to find out after I made the w/d request that I was a grand shy. Not a big deal, but it doesn't make sense for the customer to keep records that for whatever reason don't match the book's(I say my #'s were dead on). Whatever though, in the end I made a few extra bucks in the additional $1000 worth of wager and increased my w/d

If I have a rollover to complete, I always take screenshots of all my bets and put it in a folder until I cash out.

[pags11]

get some new god damn material tacomax...you already used the same shit earlier in the thread...

if you're as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't have the same tired-ass material to antagonize people with...

hey, what are you playing tommorrow?...oh that's right, you don't actually bet games!...you are a ****in' idiot...

[njschimpf]

thats not bad to meet the rollover

[dave11486]

What about teaser bets that are under -200 Vig? I assume those would be whatever you bet to win right?

[mad]

LOL, Thanks very much.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by pags11

get some new god damn material tacomax...you already used the same shit earlier in the thread...

if you're as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't have the same tired-ass material to antagonize people with...

hey, what are you playing tommorrow?...oh that's right, you don't actually bet games!...you are a ****in' idiot...

You're my new favorite poster.

[Dark Horse]

Does it really matter how rollover is calculated? So you make a few more wagers at Cris... We bet anyway, so what's the big deal?

[Yoshi]

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

The rewards programs are the future imo.

If all rewards progs will be like CRIS´i wont have a problem with that
If they are like f. e. Vip´s they can kiss my A$$.

Btw when i asked CRIS or DSI for a reload freeplay half a year ago, i had the choice between 20% 5x roll and 10% 3x - nowadays i can only get the 10%.

[moses millsap]

Originally Posted by Yoshi

Btw when i asked CRIS or DSI for a reload freeplay half a year ago, i had the choice between 20% 5x roll and 10% 3x - nowadays i can only get the 10%.

Yeah, it's supposed to be 20% 5x roll for deposits over 1k, but every time I ask live chat, they say no and only offer me the 10% 3x roll.

[JoshW]

Anyone find details of this rollover requirement on their site? I am not seeing it anywhere and had a player complain about not know about it.

[pags11]

thank you rickysteve...

I only know of bodog and legendz that count the larger ammount towards your rollover...maybe betjam does too...can't quite remember...most of these books are going towards the smaller ammount counting...

[framboise]

hello all,

i just asked (via live chat) a betcris agent if i meet the rollover requirement for the $200 btp prize. He/she told that i needed to wager $72 more. so, if you wanna know if you meet the rollover requirement, just ask a betcris agent.

[Mason]

Rollover calculator is a bad idea for recreational books. 90% of recreational players aren't even aware they exist.

Recreational players tend to to leave their money in their accounts for long periods of time and are generally unaffected by rollovers.

From a recreational business standpoint it'd be silly to point out the rollover to your players.

Internally, most offshores have some sort of rollover calculators that are used in their CS/Payout departments so the technology is there.

[manly]

Originally Posted by Ganchrow

Up until about last Sunday CRIS strictly used risk amount to calculate rollover.

Not any more ...

Are wagers made prior to the change applied at the rollover rate in place when they were made (ie. "grandfathered" in?)


The CS person I spoke to insisted the new policy has always been in place.

[Ganchrow]

Originally Posted by manly

Are wagers made prior to the change applied at the rollover rate in place when they were made (ie. "grandfathered" in?)

My strong suspicion would be no.

[Checkerboard]

Bet365 includes a running tally of a roll over in progress.



A couple of questions:

• Does a push count toward a roll over? I'm guessing that it does.
• Will books generally be able to tell a player when asked where the rollover is currently at?