A-Q off suit 4x in a row

Sam Odom · 10-25-2006, 12:19 AM

Cost me a NL Hold'em tourney

I lost on all 4 A-Q in a row

moses millsap · 10-25-2006, 12:31 AM

AQoff is an overrated hand, especially in big bet poker (NL or PL).

slacker00 · 10-25-2006, 12:32 AM

AQ is a trap hand. Read Doyle's analysis in Super System.

I got KK 3 times in a row once. Unfortunately it was a SH table, and I didn't win any humungus pots. I don't think any of the KK's saw a showdown.

moses millsap · 10-25-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by slacker00

AQ is a trap hand. Read Doyle's analysis in Super System.

I got KK 3 times in a row once. Unfortunately it was a SH table, and I didn't win any humungus pots. I don't think any of the KK's saw a showdown.

I got black kings 4 straight tournies at Lucky Chances a couple years ago, it was the daily tourney for 115 or whatever, and I lost every single time. The worst was when I lost to AJ and the dealer didn't supposedly burn a card, but I was only told after the river brought the 2nd jack on the board

Sam Odom · 10-25-2006, 02:15 AM

Back from taking a shower, I feel better.

I know AQ aint a strong hand but lose with it 4x in a row!?

I going to run it in my poker app. BRB

Sam Odom · 10-25-2006, 02:34 AM

1/2 million+ hands AQ off-suit won about 16%

Milkin' it Slowly · 10-25-2006, 04:47 AM

Depends how u play it ... If played to show down, I can imagine it'll be beat... But with raises and reraises you should of won atleast 50%. Not lose all 4...

McBa1n · 10-25-2006, 05:47 AM

You hit a major statistical anomoly
HOWEVER, you listed no data about the hands. You possibly misplayed them.
A-Q is the most OVERPLAYED hand that isn't a pair in hold em - and I blame it on ESPN for making it so. mmm...ESPN.
If it were a 9 or 10 handed game the whole way and that happened - and you didn't push until the last one, then that's really not so uncommon. I know getting that hand so many times IS uncommon - but losing with those cards CAN be.

You overplayed your hand 4x, IMO - but that is a very common hole in most people's game.

Sam Odom · 10-25-2006, 09:46 AM

Mc, there are no bad hands just bad flops.

Of the 4 hands none were helped on the flop. I played the 3rd one (i think) to the river because of a possible nut flush.

JoshW · 10-25-2006, 10:15 AM

May be a trap hand, but I bet Sam and most players would take looking down and seeing them four hands in a row any time. I would.

Sam Odom · 10-25-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lakerfan

May be a trap hand, but I bet Sam and most players would take looking down and seeing them four hands in a row any time. I would.

Yep

I would love to have them EVERY HAND. With judicious folding I could retire and play fulltime. However, the card-cam on ESPN would get me heat

moses millsap · 10-25-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lakerfan

May be a trap hand, but I bet Sam and most players would take looking down and seeing them four hands in a row any time. I would.

Not neccessarily. If you overvalue this hand, you'll win a lot of small pots with it, but you'll lose the majority of big pots you get involved with.

Late in a tourney, the hands you're getting shouldn't matter, because you should be pushing with any two cards. In this scenario, where the hero is playing a fast, aggressive game, a holding like AQ would be solid as most will be putting you on less than marginal hands due to the frequency of your raises.

slacker00 · 10-25-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lakerfan

May be a trap hand, but I bet Sam and most players would take looking down and seeing them four hands in a row any time. I would.

Nothing inherently wrong with AQ. But If I'm 9 handed UTG on an even slightly tough table I fold it every time. It's just too easy to get into situations where you'll have to get all your money in with the worse hand and there's nothing you can do about it. But, if I'm playing SH, there's nothing sweeter on my eyes than to look down and see AQ. (Except maybe AA, KK, AK & QQ)