[gasper_lamarc]

Do any of you guys every play in the casino part of your sportsbook? If so have you ever noticed that something is a little off. I know there is such a thing as a bad luck streak, but there is also a thing called probability. I am really just trying to find out if anybody else has noticed suspicious casion tendencies from their sportsbook (especially blackjack). I have my suspicions about one in general, but I am not going to mention any name as I am reviewing a few pages of black jack history.

[tacomax]

I've never come across a rigged casino from a repuable provider. I've come across many rigged casinos from unreputable providers.

Post your results - you don't need to name the sportsbook/casino - and someone will no doubt analyse the data.

[tacomax]

Oh, and welcome to SBR.

[RickySteve]

You wanted to flush your money down the toilet and you did. Now you're going to start crying?

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

You wanted to flush your money down the toilet and you did. Now you're going to start crying?

You expect to lose a certain level of money when playing at casinos. The guy thinks he lost more than he should have done. Is there anything wrong with wanting to query that?

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by tacomax

You expect to lose a certain level of money when playing at casinos. The guy thinks he lost more than he should have done. Is there anything wrong with wanting to query that?

The casino expects to collect all of your money whether it cheats or not.

You let me know when you get to the bottom of this obvious conspiracy, Columbo.

[tacomax]

You don't need Columbo to work this issue out for you. Quincy isn't needed, either.

The player no doubt expects to lose a certain percentage of his money but here the player thinks that he has lost a much larger percentage than the percentage he would expect to lose. Only when the details of the plays are posted can anyone advise him as to whether the game is rigged or not - I'm sure that even you can grasp this. Incidentally, you should be able to enroll on Stats 101, even at this late stage of the term.

[scottyy11]

the double downs are 100% fked i'm sure of it.....thats where they scam u.........i only play when comp'd now but i would say they are crooked

[chano]

I have had worse streaks at a land based casino, then anything you can show me here. People never tell you their hot streaks on or at a casino. As soon as they lose they start to cry and say they got ripped off. This is why the booze is free in Vegas.

[thezbar]

i've used the on line casinos many times in the past but not any more. i would win the smaller wagers however the larger ones seemed to magically lose.Also some sites would limit my progresion style of wagering in spite of the fact all the bets were under the max wager ammount.i would get a "undefined" error message and the bet would be rejected and i would have to go to a reduced unit wager to continue the play. My feeling was they had set a default trigger on my account after studing the history of my play.what really soured me was when a tried playing for fun, not real money on one site i quickly won 10,000 pts in 15 minutes and that never happened with live play.i figured that was a marketing tool and it was programed to allow me to win.if they would do that then they could just as easily program the live game to take my money

[pags11]

I have the casino section disabled on all of my sportsbook accounts...

[isetcap]

LMAO.

It's always so funny when someone starts a casino thread.

Generally you never see statements such as this:

• "I know it's fixed because I got 4 blackjacks in a row at the max bet."
  
• "I'm very suspicious because I seemed to lose when my bets were low and win when they were high."
  
• "My instincts told me that the game was fixed when I won 9 out of the first 10 hands."
  
• "There must be something wrong with the software because I have no idea how to play the game correctly, as evidenced by the fact that I have no grasp of statistical deviation, but I still managed to make money."

It's quite impressive that our society has become so sophisticated that it allows individuals to function in an almost mindless capacity their entire lives. From a financial perspective, I hope it never changes.

[patswin]

Yes I have at a few. Bet365 had a good $200 bonus for a $200 deposit that you could clear with low bets but they don't take US customers. Also SIA has a good 125% bonus on a $100 deposit. These are good offers.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by pags11

I have the casino section disabled on all of my sportsbook accounts...

I know, you mention this fact in every single casino-related thread.

[Hulu]

Originally Posted by isetcap

It's quite impressive that our society has become so sophisticated that it allows individuals to function in an almost mindless capacity their entire lives. From a financial perspective, I hope it never changes.

Isn't that the truth. Every day you can see dozens of people who are merely being guided through life without having to form a critical thought.

[LVHerbie]

God.... we all need god...

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by tacomax

The player no doubt expects to lose a certain percentage of his money but here the player thinks that he has lost a much larger percentage than the percentage he would expect to lose.

That would be called variance. If you had a clue you would understand this.

Originally Posted by tacomax

Only when the details of the plays are posted can anyone advise him as to whether the game is rigged or not.

His play wouldn't even remotely come close to forming a meaningful sample. If you had a clue you would understand this.

Originally Posted by tacomax

Incidentally, you should be able to enroll on Stats 101, even at this late stage of the term.

I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics. You?

[BigDaddy]

Originally Posted by tacomax

I know, you mention this fact in every single casino-related thread.

its good advice

[isetcap]

I understand that $500 isn't really that large a bet for one hand of blackjack, but see what happens when I double down...

This game is obviously rigged.

[Al Masters]

IMO..... anyone who plays in online casinos doesnt like money.

[sjelveh]

I turned 300 into 10000 yeah 10 grand, in 4 days once playing blackjack at betgameday then in a span of 2 hours lost it all to this day I swear they pushed the lose every hand button on me have never played an online casino since. I was 20 and a brokeass college student and was throwing up for about 4 days after that man that was a bad time. Live and learn 6 years later I laugh about it, but since moving to Las Vegas I lose all my money in real casinos now.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by sjelveh

I turned 300 into 10000 yeah 10 grand, in 4 days once playing blackjack at betgameday then in a span of 2 hours lost it all to this day I swear they pushed the lose every hand button on me have never played an online casino since. I was 20 and a brokeass college student and was throwing up for about 4 days after that man that was a bad time. Live and learn 6 years later I laugh about it, but since moving to Las Vegas I lose all my money in real casinos now.

Did Betgameday force you to keep betting after you hit $10K?

If you had just cashed out before they hit that "lose every hand" button, you could have really fooled them! That's why it's really unfair, because it's common knowledge that they employ profilers who use their psychic powers to determine exactly how long you're going to play. Once they realize you're close to cashing out, they make sure they take all the money back. It's just shameful.

[sjelveh]

the lose every hand button was a joke, and they only let you withdrawal 2500 at a time so I had a pending 2500 withdrawal and when I lost the 7500 I deleted the withdrawal. If they would have let me do it all at once who knows if their netteller withdrawal;s were instant and did take not take like 10 hours and can be cancelled during that time this story might of had a happy ending. But like I said live and learn. But if you were a broke 20 year old college student that worked his butt off to put himself through school and went through that I don’t think you would use online casino eithers.

[yokspot]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

His play wouldn't even remotely come close to forming a meaningful sample. If you had a clue you would understand this.

I'm surprised you say this, since you claim to having a clue. It depends entirely on the contention at issue. Somebody mentioned four consecutive BJs. Well, maybe not four, but see six consecutive and you have reason to start raising eyebrows, at 75 million to one.

And anyway, how do you know "his play wouldn't even remotely come close to forming a meaningful sample"? Supposing he had just 100 hands, with no ridiculous aberrations like six straight BJs, but won 10 and lost 90? That would be off the probability scale and clear reason to raise very serious questions about the fairness.

You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the heretic who soils the Holy Of Holies by claiming that offshore betting operations located in Outer Mongolia and answerable to noone just may (almost chokes but gets the word out somehow) cheat.

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

That would be called variance. If you had a clue you would understand this.

If you played 100 hands of blackjack, then variance can account for a certain percentage of those losses. But variance can't explain away the fact that you lost 100 hands in a row. Have you got any clue about mathematics?

Originally Posted by RickySteve

His play wouldn't even remotely come close to forming a meaningful sample. If you had a clue you would understand this.

See the answer by Yokspot.

Since you've got no idea what the sample size is and you've got no idea what exactly the OP's issue is then you've got no idea whether the sample size is meaningful. In short, you've got no idea. Have you got any clue about mathematics?

Originally Posted by RickySteve

I have a bachelor's degree in mathematics. You?

I don't believe you. Did you buy the degree off ebay? It's pretty clear you didn't get it through the ability to understand mathematics.

[RickySteve]

The original poster didn't provide any data, so any numbers you clowns make up are even more worthless than your value to society.

Rare events are easy to marvel at in retrospect. The fact is any event with non-zero probability, however unlikely, will eventually occur.

[sjelveh]

here you guys go

[tacomax]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

The original poster didn't provide any data, so any numbers you clowns make up are even more worthless than your value to society.

Rare events are easy to marvel at in retrospect. The fact is any event with non-zero probability, however unlikely, will eventually occur.

Stats 101 is still open.

[gasper_lamarc]

WOW! I didn't expect everybody to get to everybody else's throats over this. Af for the stats i was able to print my last 30 - 40 hands from the other week, but when i called the virtual casion manager to get the history from last week he said there computer program couldn't print it. The main thing i am looking for right now is a way of getting more details on the programs these casinos are using. Are they using 6 deck or 10? Is each card radom or the winner of each hand? It is past the discussion of the probability of winning a sample of 100 hands but the way the computer is winning (having a ten and a three and then drawing 4 more cards to add up to 21).

[pags11]

Al, I have to agree with you...stay away from online casinos...

[yokspot]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

The original poster didn't provide any data, so any numbers you clowns make up are even more worthless than your value to society.

How does posting facts make one a "clown" or " valueless to socirty"? That's pretty out of order.

The fact is any event with non-zero probability, however unlikely, will eventually occur.

This is a standard and rather lame catch-all response to these kinds of allegations.

A 0.0000000000000000000000001 probability event is not justifiably blown off as "not zero probability therefore possible". Non-zero probability notwithstanding, it represents a very high degree of confidence that something is not right, would almost unquestionably represent cheating and be pursuable as such.

[patswin]

Originally Posted by pags11

Al, I have to agree with you...stay away from online casinos...

Pags you can make good money bonus whoring the sign up offers they give you at certain places. I've made a nice chunk of change this year doing this. Unfortuneatley since Frist got his bill passed 90% of them have stopped taking US players or locked my account since I am in NY. But it was fun while it lasted. Would never play in a casino without a bonus though...

[Cyclone]

At http://www.wizardofodds.com/ you can learn a lot about online casinos and their software, and which ones you can trust and which ones you can't.

[pags11]

patswin,

I've never even thought about bonus whoring at online casinos, but if it's worked for you then great...