[AK]

Need to make a couple dimes tonight playing Roulette. No hurry I will stay up and play all night long if needed.

[tacomax]

I have nothing to add, nevertheless I will be very interested in any replies you get.

[AK]

never mind just lost 1200 in casino.

lets win 3200

[jjgold]

AK stay away from those casinos

[Ganchrow]

Need to make a couple dimes tonight playing Roulette. No hurry I will stay up and play all night long if needed.

Is this some sort of a pun?

If you need money then don't play roulette.

[SBR_John]

Ask Roberto... he saw me clean up at the Golden Nugget with this system. Play all the 20's and play the 4, 10 and 11. Once you get up $5k then quit.

[AK]

does that have the highest rate of return John?

[Ganchrow]

does that have the highest rate of return John?

John's strategy certainly does have the highest possible rate of return in American roulette: -5.263%. You can't expect do any better than that. (In fact the only way to do worse than that is to bet the 0/00/1/2/3 combo. The expected return on that bet is -7.895%.)

[onlooker]

Ask Roberto... he saw me clean up at the Golden Nugget with this system. Play all the 20's and play the 4, 10 and 11. Once you get up $5k then quit.

I will let my friend know, he likes to play roulette a lot.

[tacomax]

John's strategy certainly does have the highest possible rate of return in American roulette: -5.263%. You can't expect do any better than that. (In fact the only way to do worse than that is to bet the 0/00/1/2/3 combo. The expected return on that bet is -7.895%.)

I'm sure that the casinos like nothing better than having people coming in and playing their roulette "system".

[Betman]

Did you use a money management strategy like a progression or regression or was it the same amount on all numbers all the time ?

[AK]

Did you use a money management strategy like a progression or regression or was it the same amount on all numbers all the time ?

Good question. I would assume he has to chase a little bit

[Illusion]

Welcome to SBR Betman.

[Betman]

Thank you Illusion

[smoothsuave]

Hey if you have unlimited money to bet then bet how much you want to win on red or black, double your previous bet until it hits if you lose.

[tacomax]

Hey if you have unlimited money to bet then bet how much you want to win on red or black, double your previous bet until it hits if you lose.

I think we did that one to death.

The Double Up Method

[Ganchrow]

I'm sure that the casinos like nothing better than having people coming in and playing their roulette "system".

From the casino's persepective the good thing about a roulette "system" isn't that it expects to take the money of a system player any quicker than that of a non-system player, I would think it's that a system player is more likely to blame his own losses on bad luck (or credit his wins to the system) and so keep returning for more punishment.

Poor schlubs.

[tacomax]

Poor schlubs.

Indeed. Unless you're able to manipulate a casino game in your favour then you're always going to be a long term lose.

You can count cards on a single deck blackjack game, you can scientifically identify a biased wheel on roulette. But if you think you have a "winning system" based on nothing more than picking random number on a roulette wheel then you're destined for losing.

[BAUS]

No kidding. If AK were a true pro as he claims, he would know that there is simply no way to beat an unbeatable game (unless cheating).

BAUS

[raiders72001]

AK- Only way to go is the prime number 1/2 martingale system. Play the all the prime numbers. If one doesn't hit then play them again for 1.5 units.

[tacomax]

AK- Only way to go is the prime number 1/2 martingale system. Play the all the prime numbers. If one doesn't hit then play them again for 1.5 units.

Can prove that mathmatically?

[AK]

Thanks Raiders.

Don't know much about casinos

[smoothsuave]

What do you guys think about craps? I like the odds, cover 4-11 roll it and pull it. Just b/c you can roll seven more ways than the others makes it more appealing for me to play craps than roulette. Now if you are really looking for a win with a huge risk cover all the numbers but just enough to win (Don't forget about the gooses 0/00. Now thats russian roulette

[smoothsuave]

About the Martingale I didnt know about it until the forums, but my first time to a casino I tried it. Needless to say I ran out of chips and my wife wasnt thrilled with my theory, but it will work

[tacomax]

What do you guys think about craps? I like the odds, cover 4-11 roll it and pull it. Just b/c you can roll seven more ways than the others makes it more appealing for me to play craps than roulette. Now if you are really looking for a win with a huge risk cover all the numbers but just enough to win (Don't forget about the gooses 0/00. Now thats russian roulette

If you can provide a mathematically proven sytem of beating the casinos on craps in the long term then I'll pay you for it.

[tacomax]

About the Martingale I didnt know about it until the forums, but my first time to a casino I tried it. Needless to say I ran out of chips and my wife wasnt thrilled with my theory, but it will work

No, it won't work. If you're so sure, prove it to me.

[smoothsuave]

Odds are almost 1/2 that you will hit Black or Red given the gooses. It has to eventually hit your bet, just takes time and money

[tacomax]

Odds are almost 1/2 that you will hit Black or Red given the gooses. It has to eventually hit your bet, just takes time and money

The key word in that statement is "almost 1/2". If you're playing at a roulette wheel then, barring any mechanical advantages you may identify, you're always going to be a long term loser.

But if you still disagree, then feel free to prove it mathematically.

[smoothsuave]

Every game is a chance, you either take an educated chance or a chance,
Roulette you bet on one spin, craps a bet could last forever. Which chance do you like better. Even better than that is you can pull your bet after each roll if it still stands and certain circumstances.

[smoothsuave]

Grab a coin call one side( head or tails ) the entire time and keep flipping until it hits your call. Tell me how many times it takes or if it never happens.

[smoothsuave]

If you would like wait until it hits your side the 2nd time.

[raiders72001]

In craps play the field bet. Look at all the extra numbers that you get.

[smoothsuave]

thats true

[smoothsuave]

I won $,$$$ playing at betCris not field but by covering and then pulling. The software doesnt let you pull though you have to counter your bet. Figure the difference.

[tacomax]

smoothsuave, prove it to me mathematically.