[Ralphie1412]

Goat is SCARY sad. He has to come with these 5 page responses because he is such a proven NBA loser. Its really sad how bad he is at it.

[Goat Milk]

Ralphie I already made an example out of you in Brock's thread. You want me to let everyone here know how you stiffed Windy City's bookie and he was stuck with your bill. Imbecile.

[Ralphie1412]

You can say it all you want....its not true and its laughable that you resort to making shit up in an NBA discussion.


You are a SAVAGE in your predictions. Miami? And now you are calling the Lakers? Damn man you should be on ESPN.

[rm18]

Barring injury best big 4 ever

no

Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc
Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ

[Goat Milk]

no

Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc
Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ

No chance.

Bryant > Bird. Bird said himself. Actually, after Kobe's 3 more years, Bird is a far 3 4 slots behind him in my book. Lebron is threatening Bird's spot on my top 5 greatest ever.

Gasol > McHale. Slight edge though.

Howard > Ish. No comparrison.

Nash > J

Terrible

[rm18]

Jordan also said Bird and Magic's teams were better than the 96 Bulls.

I don't agree that Kobe is better than Bird historically, but regardless Bird in his prime won 3 straight MVP's and Kobe is not the same player he used to be.


Nash will be 39 years who knows when it will end but Johnson was a HOF'er in his prime and all defense good all around player, Nash will kill the Lakers on defense especially with Kobe older and less able to guard quicker players.

l

If you are just going off names then: Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton is the best ever

[upscope]

What do you mean before game 6? I came out and said before each season started who would win the title. 2010 i said LAL. 2011 I said MIA. 2012 I said MIA. I made guarantees in 2011 that mia would win the east and a guarantee that they would win it all in 2012 unless Howard went to LA.

No, noobs on this site did not call that. Everyone on this site wants to try and be sharp and pick some fukkin team like the Portland Trailblazers to win the title at +4500.

I breakdown the game, convey coaches schemes, matchup analysis--no one else on this site does that.

I know the game upscope. I've been posting in the nba section for a while now. I sent many long-time posters here that were once authorities on the NBA packing after they saw my predictions unfold the past 3 years.

Dude seriously, stop thumping your chest because you took the heavy chalk favorite to win the last 3 yrs & were right 2 of them. That is no accomplishment. Now you're going out on an even bigger limb for taking an even heavier chalk fav in the Lakers to win the West next yr. WHAT A FUKKIN GENIUS YOU ARE!!
You think u know the game because you pick the heavy favorite to win every yr & they actually win.....lolololololololololololol

You expect people to bow down to u because you are capable of claiming the obvious best team in the league is gonna win?? Seriously, congratulations on picking the obvious favorite to win every yr.
I'm making a bold prediction & going w/ the Heat in the East & the Lakers in the West this yr. What a genius I am huh??
Can't wait to tell everybody "I told you so" come June when the Heat & Lakers meet for the chip. i especially can't wait to tell you over & over & over about how much I know about basketball after I correctly pick the Heat & Lakers to meet in the Finals.

[Seto]

Dude seriously, stop thumping your chest because you took the heavy chalk favorite to win the last 3 yrs & were right 2 of them. That is no accomplishment. Now you're going out on an even bigger limb for taking an even heavier chalk fav in the Lakers to win the West next yr. WHAT A FUKKIN GENIUS YOU ARE!!
You think u know the game because you pick the heavy favorite to win every yr & they actually win.....lolololololololololololol

You expect people to bow down to u because you are capable of claiming the obvious best team in the league is gonna win?? Seriously, congratulations on picking the obvious favorite to win every yr.
I'm making a bold prediction & going w/ the Heat in the East & the Lakers in the West this yr. What a genius I am huh??
Can't wait to tell everybody "I told you so" come June when the Heat & Lakers meet for the chip.

"Heavy chalk favorite"? Do you even know what you're talking about?

If I remember correctly, the Heat were about +300 to win in 2011 and +200 in win in 2012. Don't remember for the Lakers in 2010 but I'm guessing at least +150 and probably more like +200 to +250 range. Being the favorite does not mean you have to lay chalk in a future

Hitting 2 for 3 of those is not that bad

[upscope]

"Heavy chalk favorite"? Do you even know what you're talking about?

If I remember correctly, the Heat were about +300 to win in 2011 and +200 in win in 2012. Don't remember for the Lakers in 2010 but I'm guessing at least +150 and probably more like +200 to +250 range. Being the favorite does not mean you have to lay chalk in a future

Hitting 2 for 3 of those is not that bad

They were the #1 favorite dude, do u not understand that?? Anybody can simply take the best team to win & hit 2 out of 3. That doesn't make you a genius. The Heat were the #1 fav going into the season the last two yrs. The Lakers the yr before. Real bold predictions there....lolololololololol

[BigJay]

Lakers vs Heat if all stay healthy would be a Classic finals no matter who you like.

[daimoshokage]

Miami Heat - BACK2BACK!!! BOOK IT!!!!

[BigJay]

dwight howard too injury prone at this point to put any great confidence in

okc still awfully good

cleveland was probably the best team for a few straight years and didn't win, miami was the best team and didn't win in 2011, etc etc

having the most talent and/or best team is just a starting point

packers went 15-1 last year, would've beaten the giants 9 times out of 10 but they don't play the game 10 times

Cleveland was never the best team. In fact, their 2007 team was one of the worst to ever make the finals. LeBron ever had much at all around him in Cleveland, that's why he left.

[Seto]

They were the #1 favorite dude, do u not understand that?? Anybody can simply take the best team to win & hit 2 out of 3. That doesn't make you a genius. The Heat were the #1 fav going into the season the last two yrs. The Lakers the yr before. Real bold predictions there....lolololololololol

If it's so easy, then why don't you do it? If you had laid 1K on each of those 3, you'd be up about 3K now just with those 3 bets.



I'm not saying the guy is a genius but discrediting him as someone who takes no risks for betting +200 lines is moronic.

People who take no risks are those who say "I think it'll be either Miami, OKC, or LA"

[Ratzz]

Miami or Thunder, nobody else.. if the regular season was 2 weeks long... and went immediately to playoffs...
then Lakers can go deep...

but k0Bie will be 34, Nash will be 39.. six months of running around with 25 yr. olds... takes a lot out of anyone...
tack on 40 flights.. jet-lag.. eating on run.. sleeping in hotels.. it's not for old men... 39 yrs old is too old to run (and keep up)
with 23-24 yr. olds like Westbrook and Durant, Harden (22 yrs.), Ibaka...Sefolosha... etc..

there is just No Fvckin' Way... 82 games... and then.. start again... at 34.. at 39..

great idea.. but no dice.

Howard will leave.. why would he want to stay on a team that has traded away most their 1st Round draft picks for the next 10 yrs..
why would anyone..? the Nets will pay him next year to go up to Brooklyn.

even Artest is old... the SHOWTIME is O-V-E-R.

The Lakers are done.

[Seto]

Miami or Thunder, nobody else.. if the regular season was 2 weeks long... and went immediately to playoffs...
then Lakers can go deep...

but k0Bie will be 34, Nash will be 39.. six months of running around with 25 yr. olds... takes a lot out of anyone...
tack on 40 flights.. jet-lag.. eating on run.. sleeping in hotels.. it's not for old men... 39 yrs old is too old to run (and keep up)
with 23-24 yr. olds like Westbrook and Durant, Harden (22 yrs.), Ibaka...Sefolosha... etc..

there is just No Fvckin' Way... 82 games... and then.. start again... at 34.. at 39..

great idea.. but no dice.

Howard will leave.. why would he want to stay on a team that has traded away most their 1st Round draft picks for the next 10 yrs..
why would anyone..? the Nets will pay him next year to go up to Brooklyn.

even Artest is old... the SHOWTIME is O-V-E-R.

The Lakers are done.

So it's possible to lead the league in assists on a non-playoff team at 38, but as soon as you reach 39 you are done?
And be a few micro-points on average per game away from leading the league in scoring at 33, but at 34 you are done?

You always bring up Kobe's shooting percentages but he actually shot better than Gasol last year in the playoffs, although he focuses more attention and Gasol is an interior player.

[pepero428]

Miami or Thunder, nobody else.. if the regular season was 2 weeks long... and went immediately to playoffs...
then Lakers can go deep...

but k0Bie will be 34, Nash will be 39.. six months of running around with 25 yr. olds... takes a lot out of anyone...
tack on 40 flights.. jet-lag.. eating on run.. sleeping in hotels.. it's not for old men... 39 yrs old is too old to run (and keep up)
with 23-24 yr. olds like Westbrook and Durant, Harden (22 yrs.), Ibaka...Sefolosha... etc..

even Artest is old... the SHOWTIME is O-V-E-R.

The Lakers are done.

?????? Miami has squad that is super young? Only like Lebron, Bosh and Chalmers are u30 years old. Lakers have at least 4 u30 years old (2 will get a lot of minutes (Howard once clear to play and Jordan Hill).
Can you provide some better reasons?

Avg. age of Starters

Miami 28+ 29 + 31 + 37 + 33 = 158/5 = 31.6 round to nearest tenth = 32 years old
Lakers 33 + 27 + 33 + 39 + 32 = 164/5 = 32.8 round to nearest tenth = 33 years old


lebron turns 28 this December _______ mwp will be 33 years old in November
bosh will turn 29 in March _________ howard will be 27 years old in December
wade will be 31 in January _______ kobe is 33 (turns 34 in August After playoffs)
ray allen is 37 ___________ nash will be 39 in February
rashard lewis is 33 _________ pau is 32, turns 33 after playoffs

BENCH AGE Miami VS. Lakers


joel anthony is 30 ---------- devin ebanks will be 23 years old
shane battier is 33 ---------- steve blake will be 33 in February
james jones will be 32 this October ------- jordan hill is 25 years old
udonis haslem is 32 years old -------- chris duhon is 29 years old
mike miller will be 33 in February ------- antawn jamison is 36
mario chalmers will be 27 in May -------- jodie meeks is 24 years old

[Seto]

?????? Miami has squad that is super young? Only like Lebron, Bosh and Chalmers are u30 years old. Lakers have at least 4 u30 years old (2 will get a lot of minutes (Howard once clear to play and Jordan Hill).
Can you provide some better reasons?

Avg. age of Starters

Miami 28+ 29 + 31 + 37 + 33 = 158/5 = 31.6 round to nearest tenth = 32 years old
Lakers 33 + 27 + 33 + 39 + 32 = 164/5 = 32.8 round to nearest tenth = 33 years old


lebron turns 28 this December _______ mwp will be 33 years old in November
bosh will turn 29 in March _________ howard will be 27 years old in December
wade will be 31 in January _______ kobe is 33 (turns 34 in August After playoffs)
ray allen is 37 ___________ nash will be 39 in February
rashard lewis is 33 _________ pau is 32, turns 33 after playoffs

BENCH AGE Miami VS. Lakers


joel anthony is 30 ---------- devin ebanks will be 23 years old
shane battier is 33 ---------- steve blake will be 33 in February
james jones will be 32 this October ------- jordan hill is 25 years old
udonis haslem is 32 years old -------- chris duhon is 29 years old
mike miller will be 33 in February ------- antawn jamison is 36
mario chalmers will be 27 in May -------- jodie meeks is 24 years old

Nice burial

Guy just obviously hates the Lakers

[Ratzz]

?????? Miami has squad that is super young? Only like Lebron, Bosh and Chalmers are u30 years old. Lakers have at least 4 u30 years old (2 will get a lot of minutes (Howard once clear to play and Jordan Hill).
Can you provide some better reasons?

lol.. what a nim-rod... your description is a FINALS matchup... you first need to GET to the Finals.*
Lakers will never get past the Thunder 90+ games in... that series is the West Finals,
IF they are there at all...*

besides.. Allen's age is a non-factor.. his game does not rely on speed/contact.. not a fast-break player. He is super-accurate beyond arc..*he is low physical contact, does beat anybody up, and does not get beat up... just nails them from outside, again, and again, and again.. (same way k0Bie bricks shots/4th Qtr.)

That is why Riley got Allen, 3-Pt. game was huge in the Finals.. the 3Pt. won them 2 games. vs. the Thunder.

I am talking about getting by OKC, Lakers can NEVER match them in talent or speed. They are too good.
I am not talking about hey-day k0Bie, or Nash... i mean, NOW. impossible.

Durant kills k0Bie one-on-one
ditto for Westbrook.

Bryant is slow and inaccurate, and does not drive to the basket anymore.. just misses from outside.
He USED to be quite dangerous.. almost indefensible. Defender could not get too close, because he would dart around for the layup or dunk,*and the defender could not drift back, because he would shoot it over the defender. But now, people just drift back and try to prevent him from passing to somebody that can hit the shot.

which is not so hard.. really,.. k0Bie does not pass. lol

How else do you think the Thunder beat them in a measly 5 gameroos.. !?*

[Seto]

lol.. what a nim-rod... your description is a FINALS matchup... you first need to GET to the Finals.*
Lakers will never get past the Thunder 90+ games in... that series is the West Finals,
IF they are there at all...*

besides.. Allen's age is a non-factor.. his game does not rely on speed/contact.. not a fast-break player. He is super-accurate beyond arc..*he is low physical contact, does beat anybody up, and does not get beat up... just nails them from outside, again, and again, and again.. (same way k0Bie bricks shots/4th Qtr.)

That is why Riley got Allen, 3-Pt. game was huge in the Finals.. the 3Pt. won them 2 games. vs. the Thunder.

I am talking about getting by OKC, Lakers can NEVER match them in talent or speed. They are too good.
I am not talking about hey-day k0Bie, or Nash... i mean, NOW. impossible.

Durant kills k0Bie one-on-one
ditto for Westbrook.

Bryant is slow and inaccurate, and does not drive to the basket anymore.. just misses from outside.
He USED to be quite dangerous.. almost indefensible. Defender could not get too close, because he would dart around for the layup or dunk,*and the defender could not drift back, because he would shoot it over the defender. But now, people just drift back and try to prevent him from passing to somebody that can hit the shot.

which is not so hard.. really,.. k0Bie does not pass. lol

How else do you think the Thunder beat them in a measly 5 gameroos.. !?*

Kobe won't guard Durant so who cares if Kobe can't guard him? Do you realise also how good of a one-on-one defender Kobe is?

Didn't shoot well? He didn't shoot incredibly well but 30pts on 44% shooting is still a great contribution, I don't see you saying anything about Westbrook's 45.5%.

Plus which Howard will add offensively and especially defensively to that team and Nash will improve the offense, led the league in assists on a non-playoff team at 38.

And the bench this year will be better I think, Jamison can score about 8 a game and Meeks can knock down a few 3's.

They beat them in 5 games but that series was closer than that indicated. OKC was the better team but had the Lakers won game 2 or game 4, which they both came very close to winning, the series would have probably gone 7.

You're just blinded by your hate of the Lakers. I'm a Mavs fan so I have reason to dislike them too but at least I can see objectively how good they will be next year.

[Ratzz]

time to let it rest... we must agree to disagree here.. neither will/can see it the other way..

One of us is right, one of us is wrong... time will tell.*

[Speedy88]

This thread is funny.

[jnickell100]

We'll now I know who host milks ghost is here. Pretty obvious

[Goat Milk]

Upscope,

You couldn't even get the finals right with 2 teams left, neither could 85% of SBR--who picked the THunder. now you're saying that anyone could have predicted 2 out of the last 3 champions before the season started?

LOL thanks for the laugh.

[rm18]

I don't really think they can matchup with OKC although I like the Lakers chances vs. the Heat in a 7 game series

[Ratzz]

rather than worrying about the ages of the bench you might want to worry about the talent or massive lack of on the lakers bench.

Also considering the play offs games and Olympics Kobe has played he has actually played an extra 3 season plus, and he started playing when he was 18. So his 33 is more like 38 or 39 in basketball years.

Lakers arent even close to the Heat if both are healthy, it isnt even a contest. Lakers will probably be a 3 or 4 seed in the west, so thinking they can compete with the Heat is a laugh. If Howard cant play they might not even make the play offs.

Its only frigging August and you guys are losing your minds, How about you all wait until Howard can at least play before getting all excited. Then you have to worry about guys making it through the season not dying of old age or fatigue. Gasol played his guts out this summer in the Olympics, to think he will be dragging ass come play off time is almost a certainty.

Don't worry there will be plenty of time for guys to chirp or cry, its a full season and basically the final are nearly a year away.

smart post.. good points, i have stated same about k0Bie.. with regard to fatigue.. not that he was playing heart out.. but after his amount of yrs., he 'really' needed an entire off-season.. he's really only getting 2 months instead of 5,*

k0Bies Stats look bad.

lowest FG% since '98
lowest 3Pt.% since '02
lowest Assists/pg since '06
highest TO's since '05

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_b...eer_stats.html

Nash also worst *(several categories)*in over 10 yrs.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_...eer_stats.html

gentlemen, these cats are not 'fading'. They are ALREADY faded.
once declines like this occurs, they become more pronounced*exponentially.

it does not just 'get better'.. ('membah tha 'ole days)

it get worse. Much worse.
*

[jsmithj88]

i have said this plenty of times and i will continue to say it
a lot of their success will be how they run their offense
will they let nash be a playmaker? will kobe be okay standing off in a corner somewhere?
will they give the ball to gasol? he has proved that he will disappear if u dont keep him active
how will howard be utilized? will he be okay being 2/3/4th option? will he even play when its crunch time?

very very interesting situation for coach potato head

wouldnt it be nuts if howard left for dallas after 1 year and had a team of dirk, howard and harden?

[Ratzz]

i have said this plenty of times and i will continue to say it
a lot of their success will be how they run their offense
will they let nash be a playmaker? will kobe be okay standing off in a corner somewhere?
will they give the ball to gasol? he has proved that he will disappear if u dont keep him active
how will howard be utilized? will he be okay being 2/3/4th option? will he even play when its crunch time?

very very interesting situation for coach potato head

wouldnt it be nuts if howard left for dallas after 1 year and had a team of dirk, howard and harden?

agreed.. the problem with k0Bie is tha he insists on being the best player on *his squad.. (really insists on being in headlines, needs attention on him).. look at his behavior on Olympic team..

1) comes out and says that current team would beat orig team. They probably would, much more athletic..BUT things are constantly evolving.. the 1992 was by far the most athletic team ever assembled at that time, so it is relative to to it's chronological surroundings..
if the 1992 was a value of 10, what were all the other teams? The closest might have been a "3"

If the 2012 team was a 10, what is the next closest team...?! given that they barely scraped by Spain, one has to say that they were a 6-7 playing extra-hard.. so relative to everyone else... 1992 was better. Head-to-head, 2012 is better, but evolution is always based on the previous generation, and k0Bie's game is a copy of MJ's.. so, IF*no MJ... then k0bie does not have that model to follow.. etc... and the point is moot.

in any case.. KB24 needs attention BAD. Comes out with that "we'd beat them" statement... or calls Stern "stupid" instead of just saying.. "i think players should decide" (age limit)

if he is no longer the best player on that team (he's not) he will throw some kind of tantrum all year. i expect it will not go well. At least half the time . His immaturity as a teammate will prevail, and he will prove a distraction.*

That said, i am a HUGE Nash fan.. i only wish he had won one with PHX... he would have without that Horry foul... and the suspension of Stoudamire (cost them series)

[smoke a bowl]

Just call me delusional. OKC for the limit please.

[Ratzz]

Just call me delusional. OKC for the limit please.

lol.. this is the best answer here...*

[rm18]

agreed.. the problem with k0Bie is tha he insists on being the best player on *his squad.. (really insists on being in headlines, needs attention on him).. look at his behavior on Olympic team..

1) comes out and says that current team would beat orig team. They probably would, much more athletic..BUT things are constantly evolving.. the 1992 was by far the most athletic team ever assembled at that time, so it is relative to to it's chronological surroundings..
if the 1992 was a value of 10, what were all the other teams? The closest might have been a "3"



If the 2012 team was a 10, what is the next closest team...?! given that they barely scraped by Spain, one has to say that they were a 6-7 playing extra-hard.. so relative to everyone else... 1992 was better. Head-to-head, 2012 is better, but evolution is always based on the previous generation, and k0Bie's game is a copy of MJ's.. so, IF*no MJ... then k0bie does not have that model to follow.. etc... and the point is moot.

in any case.. KB24 needs attention BAD. Comes out with that "we'd beat them" statement... or calls Stern "stupid" instead of just saying.. "i think players should decide" (age limit)

if he is no longer the best player on that team (he's not) he will throw some kind of tantrum all year. i expect it will not go well. At least half the time . His immaturity as a teammate will prevail, and he will prove a distraction.*

That said, i am a HUGE Nash fan.. i only wish he had won one with PHX... he would have without that Horry foul... and the suspension of Stoudamire (cost them series)

2012 was not better, and their athleticism is not that great. Are Kobe, Paul, Anthony, Williams, Love really that athletic? Davis no experience.

So only Lebron, Westbrook, Chandler, Iggy, and Durant are that athletic.

Some slow guys on 2012 but MJ, Pippen, Barkley, Robinson, and Drexler were more athletic than those 5 guys 1992 could of matched up fine and they were much better all around players.

Now 2008 with a young Kobe, Wade, Howard might be a little different

[Goat Milk]

I don't really think they can matchup with OKC although I like the Lakers chances vs. the Heat in a 7 game series

Disagree, but we'll see. Howard and Gasol is the front court in the NBA or second to only MIA because of James/Bosh. Nash/Bryant might even be the best backcourt in the league....

Nash will guard Westbrook only when him and Harden are playing the 1 and 2. Bryant will take Westbrook a lot. Plus Howard is back there to clean things up when Nash gets blown by.

No way Westbrook can guard Steve Nash on the other end. It's too many pick and rolls to fight through.

If OKC is smart they would move Westbrook to the 2 spot. The're not winning any time soon until he develops a pass-first mentality and that's not his game.