[bruce]

I have taken the suggestion from many posters over here to post at EOG. You can see my thread at EOG, I kept the same user name of Bruce.

I have also decided not to take Omni's offer of 10K. There is no reason I should. I have waited this long and they should pay me the $14,668 dollars they owe me, plus some healthy interest. I am willing to let the interest go but I am not willing to settle for one penny less than they rightfully owe me.

Thanks to everyone over here who has taken the time to post and support me, it is much appreciated. I will check in with updates from time to time.

[pags11]

shit bruce, if they put 10 G's on the table, I'd take it and run...I know it's not the whole ammount, but at least you get the majority of your cash back...I hope that you don't mind my input...GL with everything...

[bigboydan]

Hopefully Ken will have some success with them on this matter.

Keep us posted on this one Bruce.

[Chuck Sims]

bruce, is the $10,000 offer the one you accepted and then Omni/BetUS stiffed you on?

I believe the best SHRINK will be able to do is to get some kind of settlement offer so BetUS can save face as to say they are paying you something to get rid of you. Keep in mind you are dealing with crooks that have stiffed many people.

[JoshW]

Good luck Bruce, hope you get some resolution.

[pags11]

as do I...take the money if it's still on the table bud...

[Sam Odom]

anyone keeping up with this at EOG?

[Sam Odom]

seems bruce is willing to take the polygraph test but wants the questions 1st and the cash on hand at the test site.

[tacomax]

What the need for a test? What are BetUS quering as to the cashout?

[Sam Odom]

IMHO, this test thing is Shrink's ploy. Even if bruce is 100% right there's still a change he may refuse to take it or he has a 30% +/- chance of not passing. Either way it gives BetUS an out.

[SBR_John]

Can anyone even imagine a decent book trying so hard to short change a player? They pay sites to run cover for them and I assure the discussion when these sites try to "mediate" is how can they screw the player and still save face.

I thought Shrink had learned a lesson from the past. Too bad. BetUS is a cheating, shot taking book and there have been many Bruce's and there will be more.

[Sam Odom]

bruce is in a tough spot. i see no way he gets anything if he does not take the test

[imgv94]

What test?

[Sam Odom]

see post #8

[Sam Odom]

bruce called Shrink's semi-bluff said he wants to do it Monday! Ken said no, Monday isn't enough time.

[tacomax]

IMHO, this test thing is Shrink's ploy. Even if bruce is 100% right there's still a change he may refuse to take it or he has a 30% +/- chance of not passing. Either way it gives BetUS an out.

But what's the query, apologies if I've not been following the case. BetUS owed $14K, they offered $10K, then they pulled the offer off the table. What exactly are they querying about the account?

[Sam Odom]

taco, after ken & betus talked they came up with a 2 acct bonus scam idea concerning bruce. althought bruce been up front the whole time about his friend. The polygraph test is supposedly able to tell if bruce is truthful

[pags11]

think he has a shot at getting paid sam?...

[imgv94]

Polygraph test? I have never heard of anyone having to take a lie detector test in this kind of situation. I didn't think it would be admissible here..

[Sam Odom]

think he has a shot at getting paid sam?...

50/50

[Stumpage]

Incredible...A polygraph in essence to get a payout. Is a urine test planned as well? I admit, I have not been following this case very close, but I once had an account at BetUs and after reading this I'm sure as hell glad I don't have one there anymore, at least a funded one.

[Chuck Sims]

SHRINK has "guaranteed" bruce his $14,000+ payout if he passes the polygraph test. Stay tuned.........

[Bill Dozer]

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[Bill Dozer]

The poly is a chance for BetUs to save face much like making MFG "finishing his rollover" when they knew ahead of time it was going to be on Pinnacle scalps. Win or lose, it makes this look like a unique situation and that BetUs is standing by what they believe in.

Like MFG and David, this player has to jump through more hoops but does have another option. Good job by Shrink keeping it alive.

I agree with all the players who said that if he is willing to do a poly and it shows that BetUS cheated him, it should be double or nothing or have BetUS also put up the interest. But, I also agreed with the posters here who said MFG should get his money free and clear. Sometimes the victim has to do what's best for them when we would like to see them fight the powa.

Normally a lie detector is not an option so we have to look at the facts. The facts of this case say that Bruce is owed his money and nothing he says changes his wagering history.

BetUs had a very poor thought-out bonus program. The only way they make it out of that era is by cheating the winners.

[JoshW]

Glad you at least have a shot Bruce. This is certainly strange, but as Bill desribes it makes sense: BetUS can save face even if they have to pay the player. They are still a shit book around here and always will be with these kind of tactics.

[pags11]

agreed lakerfan...

[SBR_John]

Why a book needs to scam players I will never understand. Just being a book is like a license to print money. I think it comes down to the owners. BetUS has always scammed players, they dont even consider that its bad for business. Its like their motto is money scammed is sweeter than money won.

[Sam Odom]

John, a thief is just a f**king thief. They get the players' post up $$$ and will pay it out as little as possible just in order to keep the scam going. Worse, some forum owners knowing this, will help them out on this scam as long as they can get a piece of the 'action.'

[Sam Odom]

bruce called Shrink's semi-bluff said he wants to do it Monday! Ken said no, Monday isn't enough time.

Having posted that Monday was too soon to setup the test, Shrink now makes a post (on Monday) the test is ready to go on Monday and If bruce doesn't leave his job and rush to take it he (bruce) is most likely lying.

With a 'player's advocate' like Ken/Shrink the rouge books have nothing to fear.

[Chuck Sims]

"Its like their motto is money scammed is sweeter than money won."

Thats funny John. Its also very true.

[tacomax]

Interesting thread at EOG. I like the way that The Shrink is meant to be an independant arbitrator but is still publically (and on numerous occasions) infering that he thinks Bruce is a liar. Also the way that he infers that if he didn't take the test and/or is pondering the test then he's obviously got something to hide. I think The Shrink would do pretty well as a politician.

[bruce]

Shrink is putting so much pressure on me to do things I can't do. I asked him I think on Friday to schedule the test on Monday, thinking I would have an answer by at least the end of the weekend. So this morning he calls me saying take the test today. I explained to him I was at work and could not just take off. My job does not allow for things like that. I have also asked him numerous times to give me a list of questions, which he ignores and calls me a scammer. Sorry Shrink but I WILL NOT take this test without a list of the questions beforehand.

Let me explain why I will not take the test without a list of the questions first. Betus advertises at EOG, so Srink has a vested interest in me failing. He also set up the polygraph test and provided the questions, thats strike two against me. I've also asked him how i will get paid and all he tells me is he guarantees it. He's calling me a scammer just because I have a job and can't respond when it suits him, so that's strike three and I'm out $14,668. The whole polygraph concept is BS in the first place but given at least in a fair enviorment I will take it. The way the Shrink talks to me and about me makes me very uncomfortable. He seems to have convicted me without a trail because of circumstances out of my control.

I have posted numerous times in this forum and at EOG that I work a ton but for some reason everyone doubts me on this issue. Is it so hard for gamblers to believe that people have to work for a living and work hard?

I have other posters advising me, if anyone thinks they may be able to help, please let me know. I will check in tommorrow, I need some sleep.

[Chuck Sims]

bruce, all you have to do is call the polygrapher like SHRINK asked and he would e-mail you the questions or tell you over the phone. You're stalling. I was in your corner but now you are running away from the test that will prove who is lying.

Don't worry about the question about you and your friend working together. That answer would be yes since you referred him to BetUS and received a bonus because of it.

If you put up the funds for both accounts, then you got a problem. This would explain your back pedaling. Take the test and quit stalling.

[BlackJack]

how do know the polygrapher is 'kosher'?

bruce should be able to choose the polygrapher or one should be appointed independently.

[Chuck Sims]

The polygrapher was selected by a non bias observer. His reputation is not questioned. SHRINK posted that the polygrapher was ready. Needless to say he has the questions. SHRINK instructed bruce to call the polygrapher.

What does bruce do? He waits until the end of the day to post here about not wanting to take the test because he has not seen the questions. SHRINK has "guaranteed" the money if bruce passes. Now bruce is skeptical of being paid. I am losing confidence in this boy fast.