[Justin7]

We get a lot of inquiries into this book.

Anyone have any experiences with them, good or bad?

[Hohol15]

All four Asians (188bet, Manssion, 12bet.com, Sbobet.com) so far the best in business alongside with Pinnacle.
I heard that Sbobet is the fastest paying book.
I rate them definitely A.

[RogueScholar]

I know they have some awfully impressive tennis lines. I'd love to hear more about them.

[Matt Rain]

RogueJuror seems to know them well. Played there for a bit and it was an eye opener - Pinnacle seems to more or less copy their soccer lines.

They break their dimeline very quickly, which is bad when you're trying to play MLB and NHL.

Awfully sharp book, not good for the intermediate player like me. I use them as a market indicator for soccer now - their live lines just rock and you don't even need to be logged in to check them.

Never asked for a payout. I think I sent them $500 via Moneybookers to give them a try and I busted out in about a week.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Use them often, nice -102.5 lines on big soccer leagues (same as pinnacle/188/12bet, best to have accounts at all of them imo). Only problem is now they limit to 1k stakes, whereas 12bet will take 10k. Tennis their limits are rubbish ($250?), but over and handicap odds sometimes not very sharp, despite high juice.

They used to pay insanely quick, 60 seconds or less to moneybookers. Since they moved to the Isle of Man it's next day, probably manual authorisation needed.

They have an irritating thing where if you don't keep the account funded for a few weeks, they suspend it. You then have to email in and get it reactivated.

[pjesnik24]

very good book, slower payout than 12bet but faster than mansion88 or 188bet. a bit worse odds than 12bet but better than pinnacle.
once had a problem with deposit, sent an email and received a phonecall within minutes and everything was fixed within minutes.
one of the best sportbooks out there

[MMM]

Sbo is reliable and good for soccer. For other sports, their juice is high and limits low. On tennis for example, a 300 USD bet can cut the price from 200 to 188.

[kiwi]

Only problem is now they limit to 1k stakes, whereas 12bet will take 10k.

Are you sure? If odds are new sometimes the limit is still low but before the soccer games in big leagues start they have limits over 10000 Euro (also you can bet several times) and the same during the games for live betting.

But concerning the initial question. For me SBOBET and 12Bet/IBCBET are the best sportsbooks arround:
They have great odds, high limits, fast payouts and a huge number of livebet offers. (I am interested in soccer only.)
For some leagues SBO has more early lines but on the other side 12Bet often offers 3 or 4 asian lines for live bets whereas SBO most of the time only offers 2 or 3.

188Bet and Mansion88 do payout slower in average and also move their lines slower. I don't trust them as much as SBOBET and 12Bet but still think that also 188Bet is better than average.

[RogueJuror]

Jakiwit is spot on.

[fiveteamer]

Rogie vouches for kiwi

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Are you sure? If odds are new sometimes the limit is still low but before the soccer games in big leagues start they have limits over 10000 Euro (also you can bet several times) and the same during the games for live betting.

1k GBP for me for tomorrow's English premier for example. Same limits all soccer games. You can bet several times of course, but then the line moves - usually better just to hit pinnacle or 12bet.

I wonder if it's geographical - these limits only appeared when they moved to the Isle of Man. Perhaps the UK unit operates on different limits? I dunno.

[kiwi]

1k GBP for me for tomorrow's English premier for example. Same limits all soccer games. You can bet several times of course, but then the line moves - usually better just to hit pinnacle or 12bet.

Yes, right, at the moment the limits are still low. Lets compare:
SBO:
Liverpool -1,25 6521 Euro
Liverpool -1,5 1739 Euro
Liverpool -1 4347 Euro
Liverpool over 2,5 4347 Euro

12Bet:
Liverpool -1,25 8333 Euro
Liverpool -1,5 6250 Euro
Liverpool -1 3125 Euro
Liverpool over 2,5 4166 Euro

I am sure tomorrow the limits will be much higher! During live game 12Bet will have at least 10000 and SBO 11300 I think.

[pico]

big book.

[Casi]

Prolly a good and big book, but i cannot trust any of those asians.
Easy to draw a picture of them running with all the money lol, dunno why but it´s so easy to imagine.

[pico]

Prolly a good and big book, but i cannot trust any of those asians.
Easy to draw a picture of them running with all the money lol, dunno why but it´s so easy to imagine.

i don't trust any asians either. but same can be said about the jews and the white people and black people. i think you shouldn't trust other people with your money, period. fiat money is pretty much a ponzi scheme if you think about it. sportbook only is in business if there are enough losers to keep them afloat. even pinnacle can run away with your money if they didn't manage their risk correctly and end up having to bail.

[rookie]

i don't trust any asians either. but same can be said about the jews and the white people and black people. i think you shouldn't trust other people with your money, period. fiat money is pretty much a ponzi scheme if you think about it. sportbook only is in business if there are enough losers to keep them afloat. even pinnacle can run away with your money if they didn't manage their risk correctly and end up having to bail.

Sharp post.

I know someone who works for a big London-based soccer betting syndicate. They only bet with Asian books (never got the names though I doubt they are SBO or similar).

As for SBO, very quick withdrawals but small limits (less than 200 GBP) for the markets/sports I bet.

[kiwi]

As for SBO, very quick withdrawals but small limits (less than 200 GBP) for the markets/sports I bet.

But don't tell me your markets are soccer now...

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Still 1k GBP max for all large leagues, 20 mins before EPL games start. Even less for lower leagues, 638 or something.

Looking at my history, it was the changeover to Isle of Man that brought in these lower limits. Before that it was like 12bet, 10k or so.

[kiwi]

Still 1k GBP max for all large leagues, 20 mins before EPL games start. Even less for lower leagues, 638 or something.

Looking at my history, it was the changeover to Isle of Man that brought in these lower limits. Before that it was like 12bet, 10k or so.

Amazing: I could place now for example 20000 Euro on Liverpool -1.5 or Liverpool -1.25 and 11304 Euro on over 2,5 and on Liverpool -1.

It would be the first time I heared SBOBET had limited someone. Maybe it is worth a try if you contact their customer service?!

[rookie]

But don't tell me your markets are soccer now...

Nah, they don't offer the only soccer market I bet

[HeeeHAWWWW]

It would be the first time I heared SBOBET had limited someone. Maybe it is worth a try if you contact their customer service?!

Will do, thanks.

Out of curiousity, can I ask what are your limits on tennis? That's more interesting for me - you can replace sbo for soccer betting with pinnacle/12bet/mansion/188, but there are so few good tennis books.

[Scorpion]

Does anyone play at asiabet88.com??

[kiwi]

Does anyone play at asiabet88.com??

They are not worth it: same odds but lower betting and transaction limits than 12Bet.

[kiwi]

Will do, thanks.

Out of curiousity, can I ask what are your limits on tennis? That's more interesting for me - you can replace sbo for soccer betting with pinnacle/12bet/mansion/188, but there are so few good tennis books.

In my case I could never replace an asian book by Pinnacle concerning soccer: in leagues like brazilian league for example the limits of Pinnacle are low. Also Pinnacle follows the asian books because they make the trend of odds movement. Furthermore Pinnacle often has less different asian lines and offers like halftime bets, but especially the way how the offer live bets is a joke (if you try to place a bet and odds have changed you must do many clicks before you can bet again and also very often they close the line).
Of course nevertheless Pinnacle is altogether a great book.

Apart from that at least for me it is very useful to have 12Bet AND SBOBET... (188Bet is less important for me).

Concerning tennis for me it is nearly not interesting but as soon as I see some new tennis offers I will look for you what my limits are.

[Scorpion]

How about IBCBET?
Is 12bet owned by IBCBET?

[durito]

In my case I could never replace an asian book by Pinnacle concerning soccer: in leagues like brazilian league for example the limits of Pinnacle are low.

$5,000 handicaps on Serie A

What do asian books have?

[kiwi]

$5,000 handicaps on Serie A

What do asian books have?

My Pinnacle account shows for Brazil Paulista (Ponte Preta - Barueri) and Carioca (Botafogo - Flamengo) AH at the moment 1515 Euro as maximum and for over/under only 757,70 Euro. But the bets are nearly always red circled that means in reality I can place for AH and over/under only 378 Euro at the moment. This will increase towards the game but it probably won't be more than 1000.

At SBO I can place 1739 Euro (AH and also over/under) at the moment and this will increase too.

[RickySteve]

Prolly a good and big book, but i cannot trust any of those asians.
Easy to draw a picture of them running with all the money lol, dunno why but it´s so easy to imagine.

Maybe because it has before. See: Pointbet

[kiwi]

How about IBCBET?
Is 12bet owned by IBCBET?

12Bet belongs to IBCBET and has some features for european customers like Moneybookers and Neteller support, european odds and others.

[kiwi]

$5,000 handicaps on Serie A

What do asian books have?

I was writing about brazilian leagues before therefore I thought that you asked about the brazilian limits of Pinnacle. In case you meant the italian 'Seria A' then I can tell you that at SBOBET you can bet 20000 Euro per game at the moment (12Bet 10000).

[rookie]

Maybe because it has before. See: Pointbet

So did Premierbet. Nobody is shying away from the UK books.

[pjesnik24]

or cascade, one of the favourite books of the people here few years ago

[durito]

I was writing about brazilian leagues before therefore I thought that you asked about the brazilian limits of Pinnacle. In case you meant the italian 'Seria A' then I can tell you that at SBOBET you can bet 20000 Euro per game at the moment (12Bet 10000).

I meant Brazilian Serie A which is their main league and doesn't start till next month I think.

[kiwi]

I meant Brazilian Serie A which is their main league and doesn't start till next month I think.

Ok, when it starts I can check the limits of the asian books then and tell you...

[kkkkk]

Maybe because it has before. See: Pointbet

Just to remind Pointbet operated without license that has nothing to do with being asian or not.