[TheGambler]

I don't typically do much of it but when I see one out there that has a good chance to hit, I will play it. I know some of you do it all the time and have great success. The question I have is do you play "middles" that require you to actually lose "juice" if you do not hit it? I will only play a middle if for some reason the odds are different enough so I do not lose any or very little juice if it doesn't hit. Ex. KC -2.5 at 1.91 and Denver +3.5 at 2.1. This is a great one but at least I can either win the middle or break even on juice. Now granted, these don't happen very often but I was just curious how others played them. It seems to me that if you kept losing the juice, you might would lose quite a bit before you actually hit one. I usually only find these on 1st half bets or 1st quarter. Are there certain sports that produce more "middles" and if so, what are they?

[Doug]

A middle that loses juice can be fine, like +7.5/ -6.5 in NFL with both at -105 is great.

You need to know odds off middle hitting, +9.5/ -8.5 is no good.

[bookie]

Middler-scalpers and bettors are playing very different games. It sounds to me like you're doing the right thing. If you happen to see a juiceless middle of course grab it, but be leery of the others. They are positive expectancy and give you good leverage, but if you want to handicap you should do that because you have to stare at the screen all day to make real money middling.

[Doug]

Middler-scalpers and bettors are playing very different games. It sounds to me like you're doing the right thing. If you happen to see a juiceless middle of course grab it, but be leery of the others. They are positive expectancy and give you good leverage, but if you want to handicap you should do that because you have to stare at the screen all day to make real money middling.

Do it all... If you know what you're doing ! Middles losing juice, you need to know point values, or expectancy of the middle hitting.

+4.5/ -3.5 in NFL at -110 doesn't work. Ganchrow is the man for this !

That only hits like 3%, needs 5% + to be money.

[RickySteve]

Do it all... If you know what you're doing ! Middles losing juice, you need to know point values, or expectancy of the middle hitting.

+4.5/ -3.5 in NFL at -110 doesn't work. Ganchrow is the man for this !

That only hits like 3%, needs 5% + to be money.

He doesn't bet football.

3.5 to 4.5 point favorites in the NFL have won by exactly 4 points 1.6% of the time since 1993. 4.8% is break even for -110 on both sides.

[scottyy11]

I am not real good at the math but from experience i can say they are damn hard to hit as I have played a ton on scapled middles with no juice and have never got lucky, but I will scalp even if its just a break even to get rid of roll overs.

[Doug]

He doesn't bet football.

3.5 to 4.5 point favorites in the NFL have won by exactly 4 points 1.6% of the time since 1993. 4.8% is break even for -110 on both sides.

Middling the 4 seems reasonable , but math doesn't support it, so I don't do it. Sure seems like it should hit better than that !

[pags11]

I don't middle either...buddybear had Syracuse +19 and Iowa -13.5 last week...