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  1. #36

    Some years ago, when I asked on live chat why did they limit me when I m down 1k previous month, answer was that they dont expect my account to be profitable for them in future, business decision of their traders.

    So guess why they didnt limit you? Great expectations...
    Last edited by filipinho; 04-10-12 at 12:56 PM.

  2. #37

    yes filipinho still happens also this day with "your account to be profitable for them in future, business decision of their traders"

  3. #38

    But also you need to understand european sportbooks, the difference between them and US sportsbooks is huge.In US you bet on few sports, all big continental leagues(NBA,NCAA,NHL,NFL,MLB,MLS,...).Yo ur whole country bets only on that, big volume, so it is easy to balance odds.Informations are easily accessible so bookmakers dont have much problems in making the odds.

    On the other side, Europe is divided into 50 countries, most of them with different language.So Euro books, in order to attract customers need to offer a lot of small domestic leagues, they need to satisfy everyone.Because Greeks wont join if their soccer league isnt covered, and so on...We are talking about approximately 40 national soccer leagues versus one american(MLS).And a lot of lower leagues are covered also.Same thing with other sports.So it is hard for bookmakers to find information about all that, make odds for all that, and to monitor markets whole week.And normally, people try to take advantage of that.

    Especially Bet365 is unique, they surely offer the most sports and leagues in the world.So limiting sharp players is probably more justified.

  4. #39

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Many people bet for years without limits or just with small adjustments

    I think many people lie about having limits cut real small or they took shots at the book with bad lines

    There is more that meets the eye with posters on the forum and off the forum
    I can only speak from my own and several mates' experiences. I am not lying and I never took shots at bad lines.

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    Same as all the bigger Euro companies....u can bet 3 to 4 figures a couple of times but they'll soon limit u if ur half successful

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    Bottom line is every sbr american poster would be there as their number 1 book if allowed

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  7. #42

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    Same as all the bigger Euro companies....u can bet 3 to 4 figures a couple of times but they'll soon limit u if ur half successful
    As I've said before that is simply not necessarily so at Bet365 for some mysterious reason as I know of one person and as some posters here have said they do allow some decent sized winners to keep playing without being limited, at least for a significant number of years.

    The burning question is, what is their real criteria?

  8. #43

    Do not bet with 365...they lure many with there bonuses and betting limits..start winning and see what happens!!Double jj... if u really look after the people you wouldn't promote that website.

  9. #44

    Quote Originally Posted by poloyol View Post
    Do not bet with 365...they lure many with there bonuses and betting limits..start winning and see what happens!!Double jj... if u really look after the people you wouldn't promote that website.
    Why wouldn't you bet there, take a bonus and play as long as they let you, you have nothing to lose (except your bets of course, but that part is up to your skill) 'cause Bet365 is a rock solid payer. In the end you gotta recommend this bookie to anyone who wants to make a 5 bucks bets.

  10. #45

    Quote Originally Posted by Bleeth View Post
    Why wouldn't you bet there, take a bonus and play as long as they let you, you have nothing to lose (except your bets of course, but that part is up to your skill) 'cause Bet365 is a rock solid payer. In the end you gotta recommend this bookie to anyone who wants to make a 5 bucks bets.
    Was thinking the same thing myself. You can trust all these UK books. Might as well make what you can from them as long as they allow you.

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    Hareeba I might go in partners with you

    Let's talk Son

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  12. #47

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Hareeba I might go in partners with you

    Let's talk Son
    talk about blind leading the blind

  13. #48

    Quote Originally Posted by folousp1 View Post
    talk about blind leading the blind
    I'm quite happy and willing to debate any topic on which I've posted.

    But if snide personal remarks are all you are capable of contributing, best you keep quiet.

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    Hareeba rarely loses a debate here
    Kid knows his stuff

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    BET365 is a gem

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  16. #51

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Bottom line is every sbr american poster would be there as their number 1 book if allowed
    lol, yea iam sure they want it much more than Pinny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    lol, yea iam sure they want it much more than Pinny
    Pinnacle does not suit 75% of sbr posters Son

    Pinnacle is a big volume shop does not really benefit $20 players

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  18. #53

    Am I going mad or did some posts vanish/deleted? I swear I posted something about having a beer or perhaps I'm just going mad.

    Anyway, pinny, last time I used them was 4 months ago, hardly look there, they don't suit what I do. I'm sure they have strengths in some areas but for what I do they are not useful and not a touch on b365. I.e. in the last 10 minutes I have 6k in arbs (4k with b365) and 6k on otherside, nicking me 13 pips (the arb is stiull there but I'm not taking the piss and other books have come in). My net exposure with b365 is about 800. Then straight afterwards I received this:

    Hi XXXXX,

    The bet365 Price Promise will apply to all races shown live on Channel 4 from Lingfield and Newcastle on Saturday. To help increase your enjoyment of the forthcoming action we thought we'd give you a free 10 bonus. There are no qualifying deposits required and no catches.

    To claim your bonus, enter your Offer Code XXXXXXX


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Bottom line is every sbr american poster would be there as their number 1 book if allowed
    William Hill is better.

  20. #55

    they were more than happy to take my 4k bet which lost

  21. #56

    but still, they are more than solid book and your money there is safe, they won't scam you

  22. #57

    I haven't had a losing week in over a year & it's pretty much the only place I play at.

  23. #58

    Quote Originally Posted by showtiime View Post
    I haven't had a losing week in over a year & it's pretty much the only place I play at.
    Maybe there's the catch, you play there all the time, and i played only when they had the best price on the market (but why would i take @1.70 at bet365 if i can get 1.80 elsewhere ?), or they offered something that no one else had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughany View Post
    William Hill is better.
    William Hill is excellent although bet365 offers much more

    I cannot believe bet365 offers live betting on triple a baseball in usa

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    William Hill is excellent although bet365 offers much more

    I cannot believe bet365 offers live betting on triple a baseball in usa
    Great way to make quick short term money. lots of us sports that aren't pro level that bet365 live feed is behind. quick money also limited quickly.

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    euro sites are so well put together
    great programming

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  27. #62

    Bet365 is at the moment probably the best sportsbook in the world, overall.
    It is still owned by Coates family and they intend to keep it.
    In live betting area there is simply no one even close. Solid odds, very high limits, live streams, best console in the world of live betting, wide range of sports offered, biggest number of matches offered, most options for betting (deep market) and so on.
    Customer service is excellent (at the moment I am waiting more than half an hour for Paddy Power live support) withdrawals are fast, money is safe with them, nothing to complain here.
    They are Euro book, so yes, they can't compete with their odds with Pinnacle, 5dimes and Asian books, but they aren't so far away, actually their average payout for most sports is probably in top 2-3 books besides those I mentioned, especially for soccer, odds for US sports are not so good.
    Actually they are not having weak points and if someone would have to stick at just one book, I don't see better choice than Bet365.
    Don't know why they are rated A- here. I thought maybe because this is US forum primary (than I would understand) but than I see that Will Hill is A and simply can't justify that .
    Last edited by barba; 04-11-12 at 07:10 PM.

  28. #63

    Quote Originally Posted by barba View Post
    Bet365 is at the moment probably the best sportsbook in the world, overall.
    It is still owned by Coates family and they intend to keep it.
    In live betting area there is simply no one even close. Solid odds, very high limits, live streams, best console in the world of live betting, wide range of sports offered, biggest number of matches offered, most options for betting (deep market) and so on.
    Customer service is excellent (at the moment I am waiting more than half an hour for Paddy Power live support) withdrawals are fast, money is safe with them, nothing to complain here.
    They are Euro book, so yes, they can't compete with their odds with Pinnacle, 5dimes and Asian books, but they aren't so far away, actually their average payout for most sports is probably in top 2-3 books besides those I mentioned, especially for soccer, odds for US sports are not so good.
    Actually they are not having weak points and if someone would have to stick at just one book, I don't see better choice than Bet365.
    Don't know why they are rated A- here. I thought maybe because this is US forum primary (than I would understand) but than I see that Will Hill is A and simply can't justify that .
    When you say "best sportsbook in the world, overall" are you making that statement deliberately literal, i.e. excluding exchanges? Because I'd say that Betfair offers just as much but won't limit players as Bet365 does.

  29. #64

    Quote Originally Posted by TennisProFrance View Post
    I bet 5k + on b365 daily (single bets) and have been using them for years without being limited. Great book if you know how to use them. Strangest thing I ever encountered was paddypower, placed one small bet which lost, and got limited to 1 or somehting dumb - can only assume my name is on some type of list.
    sure you do

  30. #65

    Quote Originally Posted by Hareeba! View Post
    When you say "best sportsbook in the world, overall" are you making that statement deliberately literal, i.e. excluding exchanges? Because I'd say that Betfair offers just as much but won't limit players as Bet365 does.
    Betfair offers just as much only if you're betting major football leagues (soccer) or tennis, no liquidity on other sports (at least the ones i bet on like handball, volleyball, winter sports or even basketball)

  31. #66

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    William Hill is excellent although bet365 offers much more

    I cannot believe bet365 offers live betting on triple a baseball in usa
    lol. wow

  32. #67

    Quote Originally Posted by Bleeth View Post
    Betfair offers just as much only if you're betting major football leagues (soccer) or tennis, no liquidity on other sports (at least the ones i bet on like handball, volleyball, winter sports or even basketball)
    Okay, I can understand that the lesser sports/leagues don't attract a lot of volume at Betfair but I find there's plenty of volume for a whole lot more than just major soccer leagues and tennis. Racing and Cricket is massive, Golf, Formula1, AFL and NRL for example have excellent volumes too.

  33. #68

    Quote Originally Posted by Hareeba! View Post
    When you say "best sportsbook in the world, overall" are you making that statement deliberately literal, i.e. excluding exchanges? Because I'd say that Betfair offers just as much but won't limit players as Bet365 does.
    Well, maybe I should have said for average bettor from Europe. I can understand that for US sports and players that aren't playing live they are not good enough, but overall I think that no one can mach them, especially Betfair. Live betting is huge advantage, very low volume on many european sports at Betfair etc.
    However Betfair is in huge advantage as they don't limit players and if you look at the things from that way than you could get different conclusion, but as far as I know there are hundreds of books that will limit you much quicker than Bet365, especially if you know how to play there and stay under the radar for some time.
    I can only say that I am betting on internet for more than 7 years online and have accounts at more than 50 sportsbooks but I don't know have I putt more than few bets on Betfair. I think that this says enough, but again maybe this is the case because style of the play, for some punters some sportsbooks just don't match to their style of the play.

  34. #69

    B365 are very often nowhere as near as competitive as bf on odds for most general sports, but for some areas they are. Equally I am pretty sure US books are more competitive on their sports (big volume with limited offers), but then again you would expect this. Most Europeans don't bet so much on US sports, just as you wouldn't expect people from the US to bet on cricket. US betting is in the dark ages compared to how we use exchanges and if and when exchanges really open up in the US Americans will have a big learning curve for 6 months. For us using bf is more like trading the stock market than traditional betting.

    All this to say that it's hard to cover all these bases and markets and IMO b365 are probably the best in what they do overall, but certainly there are others that have an edge in specialist markets.

  35. #70

    Quote Originally Posted by Hareeba! View Post
    Okay, I can understand that the lesser sports/leagues don't attract a lot of volume at Betfair but I find there's plenty of volume for a whole lot more than just major soccer leagues and tennis. Racing and Cricket is massive, Golf, Formula1, AFL and NRL for example have excellent volumes too.
    Probably you're right but i don't know jack squat about those sports you mentioned (except F1, but i rarely bet on it), mostly bet on Olympic sports so Betfair is surely not the best place to take the majority of my bets.

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