SportsInteraction Poker Random???

Johns1124 · 10-12-2005, 02:46 PM

After being taken for a ride on a few hands. I came to the conclusion that SIA Poker is doing nothing more then "Fishing" for a higher rake by setting players up against each other. I believe, they intentionally, drop the card in order to get players to bet for a higher rake. So, to prove my case I decided to take a few snapshots of myself and a few other players getting screwed on these "Random" hands.

Image#1 is poor jo112 going all in with his Trips only to be shot down by another set.

Image #2: Even two Top Pair is not good enough for SI, they LOVE getting unsuspecting players to fall into that trap!

Not Learning my lesson, three hands later!

Talking about Deja Vu!, Welp Good old Mrjgler found out that two hands of Top Straights wont hold water either! Notice the upper left the "Previous Hand: -" This means I just showed up when I saw this travesty. I didnt have to wait very long to see SIA act in raising this pot for the rake!

Ouch that hurt! Imagine the odds of a Straight being out done by a FH. About 65:1, But can it happen twice back to back to poor Mrjgler??

Sure it can on SI! Look at the Previous Hand there its the one from the hand before? LOL MrJgler got screwed, but don't fear SIA Poker is living large and laughing easy on the rake!

How about two players having hold'ems Pairs? 120:1
It happen twice in 5 mins here!

Thats not SIA Poker's best Ace in the Hole. They like the ole' You have Flush so Do I trick to really get the rake higher!

Imagine that silly me thinking someone else on a 6 man table would have hole'em diamonds like me Odds 1:135

To sum it up, if you want to risk your money on a bad Script or poker drama act head on over to SIA Poker. Not very safe in my book and its only getting worse.

Doug · 10-12-2005, 02:55 PM

Game selection is also poor. No comment on the hands, though. I'll leave that others.

Illusion · 10-12-2005, 02:57 PM

That is terrible!!! Wow, that's alot of bad beats.

Ganchrow · 10-12-2005, 03:06 PM

And certainly no evidence is stronger than the anecdotal variety.

John, if you really believe this to be true, I'd suggest first gathering a random sampling of several thousand more hands. Your cherry picking of "suspect hands" is simply bad science.

Johns1124 · 10-12-2005, 03:08 PM

Actually, Ganchrow I took these pictures in a total of One Hour. Try it yourself. Watch SIA Poker for a few minutes and see how long it takes you to see several "Suspicious" hands. I guarantee it won't take that long!

moses millsap · 10-12-2005, 03:11 PM

I get beat by 5 to 10 two out rivers every hour every day. It's poker. Don't let those hands stay on your mind.

Bill Dozer · 10-12-2005, 03:20 PM

Johns,

Do you need a hand posting your pics?

Ganchrow · 10-12-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Johns1124

Actually, Ganchrow I took these pictures in a total of One Hour. Try it yourself. Watch SIA Poker for a few minutes and see how long it takes you to see several "Suspicious" hands. I guarantee it won't take that long!

I've played plenty of poker, both online and in person, for a couple of decades now. If I've taken one observation away from my experiences, it's this: weird stuff happens.

If you really want to test out your hypothesis, I'd first and foremost suggest you carefully and clearly define your hypothesis making sure to precisely explain what you mean by a "suspicious" hand. Then, I'd suggest mechanically recording each and every hand in which you play not for an hour or a day or a week but for a full month. Then you'd simply compare the number of suspicious hands observed with the number expected.

My exceedingly strong expectation is that the observed quantity will be statistically indistinguishable from that expected by chance.

jentude · 10-12-2005, 08:13 PM

Dude get real! I think their poker romm stinks myself, but i don't go around accusing them of not randomly generating the cards. I think I have heard this same theory about Party Poker, UB, Pacific, Empire, Pokerroom, Paradise. Get real! These places make more than enough money without ever having to cheat like that, there are some many hands being played an hr thats all it is. Don't be so damm paranoid.

jjgold · 10-12-2005, 09:18 PM

All poker rooms do this as it is pure luck

Illusion · 10-13-2005, 02:28 AM

Do what I do, only play live games.

jjgold · 10-13-2005, 07:26 AM

Live is the only way

Online Poker is so rigged

Ganchrow · 10-13-2005, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jjgold

Online Poker is so rigged

I'll bet you, JJ, that you can not provide new and convincing statistical evidence of systematic non-random dealing with any of the top online poker providers.

If you're interested in taking this bet, JJ, then let me know so we may discuss the terms.

jjgold · 10-13-2005, 08:36 AM

Observe tables, cards are rigged so player postions get good cards so it keeps players in the game.

Ganch believe me I know

Ganchrow · 10-13-2005, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjgold

Observe tables, cards are rigged so player postions get good cards so it keeps players in the game.

Ganch believe me I know

Sorry, I don't believe you, you don't know.

I will simply not buy the "watch and you will see weird things" non-argument. I need to see hard evidence. Even a scintilla, JJ. What have you got? You could make some easy money here.

Simon@SportsInteraction · 11-15-2005, 09:01 AM

Hi Johns1124,

My name is Simon Connolly and I work for Sports Interaction Poker.

Firstly I would like to express my understanding of the frustration you experienced around this series of bad beats. As an online Poker player myself, I know how testing it can be to sit at the table when the cards aren’t going your way.

As the first licensed and regulated Sportsbook in North America, we strive to ensure all our gaming software is of the highest and safest standards available. Our Poker Room’s Random Number Generator (RNG) has just recently been tested and accredited by TST Global, http://www.tstglobal.com/index.html the world leader in testing gaming software.

TST has evaluated both gaming systems and non-gaming systems throughout the world including several state and national lotteries, using stringent analysis and testing procedures developed over several years. Their evaluations are specifically designed to address the complexities of (and the security issues associated with) Internet Gaming Systems. This certification provides an assurance to the player that our RNG is fair and has been tested to the appropriate standards..

Luck and sometimes bad luck plays a large part in Poker and is what makes this game so great and sometimes so infuriating. I hope this spell of bad luck had not put you off our site, we would be delighted to have you back and as a measure of good faith, we would be willing to refund you in full your first deposit bonus.

If you have any questions or comments please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind Regards,

Simon Connolly
Poker Marketing
www.sportsinteraction.com/poker
Licensed and regulated in North America since 1997

tacomax · 11-15-2005, 09:18 AM

Good reply, Simon.

Unfortunately it's easier for some people to put down a number of bad beats to rigged software rather than bad luck. Happens in online casinos, happens in online poker rooms. Even in sportsbetting, some people blame the teams for rigging a game when their bets don't win. That's human nature for you.