[Johns1124]

After being taken for a ride on a few hands. I came to the conclusion that SIA Poker is doing nothing more then "Fishing" for a higher rake by setting players up against each other. I believe, they intentionally, drop the card in order to get players to bet for a higher rake. So, to prove my case I decided to take a few snapshots of myself and a few other players getting screwed on these "Random" hands.

Image#1 is poor jo112 going all in with his Trips only to be shot down by another set.



Image #2: Even two Top Pair is not good enough for SI, they LOVE getting unsuspecting players to fall into that trap!



Not Learning my lesson, three hands later!



Talking about Deja Vu!, Welp Good old Mrjgler found out that two hands of Top Straights wont hold water either! Notice the upper left the "Previous Hand: -" This means I just showed up when I saw this travesty. I didnt have to wait very long to see SIA act in raising this pot for the rake!



Ouch that hurt! Imagine the odds of a Straight being out done by a FH. About 65:1, But can it happen twice back to back to poor Mrjgler??



Sure it can on SI! Look at the Previous Hand there its the one from the hand before? LOL MrJgler got screwed, but don't fear SIA Poker is living large and laughing easy on the rake!

How about two players having hold'ems Pairs? 120:1
It happen twice in 5 mins here!



Thats not SIA Poker's best Ace in the Hole. They like the ole' You have Flush so Do I trick to really get the rake higher!



Imagine that silly me thinking someone else on a 6 man table would have hole'em diamonds like me Odds 1:135

To sum it up, if you want to risk your money on a bad Script or poker drama act head on over to SIA Poker. Not very safe in my book and its only getting worse.

[Doug]

Game selection is also poor. No comment on the hands, though. I'll leave that others.

[Illusion]

That is terrible!!! Wow, that's alot of bad beats.

[Ganchrow]

And certainly no evidence is stronger than the anecdotal variety.

John, if you really believe this to be true, I'd suggest first gathering a random sampling of several thousand more hands. Your cherry picking of "suspect hands" is simply bad science.

[Johns1124]

Actually, Ganchrow I took these pictures in a total of One Hour. Try it yourself. Watch SIA Poker for a few minutes and see how long it takes you to see several "Suspicious" hands. I guarantee it won't take that long!

[Bill Dozer]

Johns,

Do you need a hand posting your pics?

[Ganchrow]

Actually, Ganchrow I took these pictures in a total of One Hour. Try it yourself. Watch SIA Poker for a few minutes and see how long it takes you to see several "Suspicious" hands. I guarantee it won't take that long!

I've played plenty of poker, both online and in person, for a couple of decades now. If I've taken one observation away from my experiences, it's this: weird stuff happens.

If you really want to test out your hypothesis, I'd first and foremost suggest you carefully and clearly define your hypothesis making sure to precisely explain what you mean by a "suspicious" hand. Then, I'd suggest mechanically recording each and every hand in which you play not for an hour or a day or a week but for a full month. Then you'd simply compare the number of suspicious hands observed with the number expected.

My exceedingly strong expectation is that the observed quantity will be statistically indistinguishable from that expected by chance.

[jentude]

Dude get real! I think their poker romm stinks myself, but i don't go around accusing them of not randomly generating the cards. I think I have heard this same theory about Party Poker, UB, Pacific, Empire, Pokerroom, Paradise. Get real! These places make more than enough money without ever having to cheat like that, there are some many hands being played an hr thats all it is. Don't be so damm paranoid.

[jjgold]

All poker rooms do this as it is pure luck

[Illusion]

Do what I do, only play live games.

[jjgold]

Live is the only way

Online Poker is so rigged

[Ganchrow]

Online Poker is so rigged

I'll bet you, JJ, that you can not provide new and convincing statistical evidence of systematic non-random dealing with any of the top online poker providers.

If you're interested in taking this bet, JJ, then let me know so we may discuss the terms.

[jjgold]

Observe tables, cards are rigged so player postions get good cards so it keeps players in the game.

Ganch believe me I know

[Ganchrow]

Observe tables, cards are rigged so player postions get good cards so it keeps players in the game.

Ganch believe me I know

Sorry, I don't believe you, you don't know.

I will simply not buy the "watch and you will see weird things" non-argument. I need to see hard evidence. Even a scintilla, JJ. What have you got? You could make some easy money here.

[tacomax]

Good reply, Simon.

Unfortunately it's easier for some people to put down a number of bad beats to rigged software rather than bad luck. Happens in online casinos, happens in online poker rooms. Even in sportsbetting, some people blame the teams for rigging a game when their bets don't win. That's human nature for you.

[Dead Money]

I play alot of poker online and see this stuff way to often.

My gut tells me that the "RANDOM CARD GENERATORS" are not so RANDOM.
I am not saying that anyone is cheating but I just think the entire RCG is flawed.

In a 4 hour session I may see Quads 4 or 5 times, a str8 flush or 2, pocket rockets 4 or 5 times and some other stuff that when doing the math, should not occur as often as it does.
Just my take.

[tacomax]

So, Dead Money, your gut provides a more reliable analysis of Sports Interaction's RNG than TST Global?

[bigboydan]

I play alot of poker online and see this stuff way to often.

My gut tells me that the "RANDOM CARD GENERATORS" are not so RANDOM.
I am not saying that anyone is cheating but I just think the entire RCG is flawed.

In a 4 hour session I may see Quads 4 or 5 times, a str8 flush or 2, pocket rockets 4 or 5 times and some other stuff that when doing the math, should not occur as often as it does.
Just my take.

DM, i'm sure they all gotta have gaps in the s/w, but it's something no player will know for sure.

[BuddyBear]

JJ welcome back...good to see you around!

Stay away from anything like poker, casinos, slots, etc...if you can't see it live than it's not worth it.

[tacomax]

JJ welcome back...good to see you around!

He posted that a month ago.

[Dead Money]

No Taco,

I am am just saying in our local ring games we do not see quads 4 times, str8 flushes twice, and pocket aces 4 times in a 4 hour session.

I know that you will get my hands in in an online game, but even if our ring games were say 12 hours you would not see some of the stuff you see online.

Odds of getting AA are like 220-1
any pocket pair are like 16-1

when I play online I see odds like that shrink.

I am not saying that SI or any online site is cheating or making the rakes larger,
What I am saying is you see stuff online that you do not see in your local backroom games or at Foxwooods or your local casino.

I believe the problem is with the random card generators and the algorithms that they use.

[BuddyBear]

woops...i guess this is an old thread...it did seem kind of odd that he would randomly post in this thread....lol

[slacker00]

I've never played at SIA, but I've played dozens of the other online poker rooms. When I first started playing online, I went through the "poker is rigged" growing pain stage just like everyone else. Thing is, it's a pretty tough thing to prove. I actually collected maybe 100,000 hands, only to prove to myself that online poker seems legit.

I also frequent various poker message boards. Every week some new player comes on claiming online poker is rigged with a post similar to the original post above. I've gotten used to it. You guys have done a good job giving the standard responses, but a guy has to prove it to himself, or just not play.

I've suffered my share of black eyes playing online poker, and given my share. It really comes down to picking your spots. The best advice I can give to any poker player is that if you are taking a beating, quit playing. It doesn't really matter what the reasons might be. Unfortunately, sometimes it takes a long time to realize that you are the sucker sitting at the table.

[pags11]

I'll never play poker online...stories like these confirm my feeling on not wanting to play...

[Quarm]

Im sure its rigged at most places, just like Blackjack.
They tell you shit like bad luck can happen, but you never see that in real games...

[tacomax]

Im sure its rigged at most places, just like Blackjack.
They tell you shit like bad luck can happen, but you never see that in real games...

I've played in the region of hundreds of thousands of hands at each of the major casino software platforms and can honestly say that they're not rigged. None of the heavy players I know claim that they are rigged.