1. 04-02-12 03:19 PM #1
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    Matt Cain gets 20 Mil+ per season for having a losing career record

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3703148.story

    Cain has a 69-73 record with a 3.35 ERA over his seven-year career with the Giants.
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  2. 04-02-12 03:22 PM #2
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    If he's on a team with a better offense he easily has a winning record.
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  3. 04-02-12 03:27 PM #3
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    Cain is a good pitcher so im not trying to say he sucks.

    but he must have a good agent. It always amuses me how you have cy young candidates like Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz who are consistently lights out making 300,000 and 700,000... and you got guys like John Lackey (ERA 6.41 last year) who make over $15 million.

    some of the best guys are practically working for free. other mediocre talents are getting far overpaid. we see it in the nba too. part of the problem is long term contracts.
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  4. 04-02-12 03:27 PM #4
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    true. he is good. but i still think $20 Million Dollars is a sh*t-ton of money.
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  5. 04-02-12 03:46 PM #5
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    If it wasn't the Giants who paid him it would have been someone other team. He's a very good pitcher with the misfortune of having an anemic offense year in and year out
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  6. 04-02-12 03:48 PM #6
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    its a crazy world....guys like lackey and mike hampton make a killing....and are going to see every penny...meanwhile youve got some very good football players out there who wont ever come even close to seeing that kind of money....
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  7. 04-02-12 04:03 PM #7
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    With the local TV contracts coming in at 150 mil a season you are going to see an escalation of contracts. Cole Hamels should be next
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  8. 04-02-12 04:05 PM #8
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    Believe me as a free agent he gets $25 million a year easy, probably for 6 years. Baseball people know how to look beyond a W/L record.
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  9. 04-02-12 04:07 PM #9
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    Love to have him on yanks

    Frontine starter. Anyone that says no is a dummy

    Horrible offense. Guy would win 20+ every year on yanks

    Yanks almost had him a straight up for Matsui 5 or 6 years ago
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  10. 04-02-12 04:09 PM #10
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    He is not a 20 mil a yr pitcher
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    The guy has a chance to top Timmy in every stat besides Ks
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    well if you stop giving him all that money you can take some of that and get some good bats in there
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    he would have gotten that kind of money anyway in FA next year.Not sure how giants can afford both him and tim...now tim will ask for more than 23.5 mil per season...tim will be looking for 25 mil per season atleast. Nearly 50 mil tied up on 2 pitchers is scary.
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    All I will say is that he was great in the 2010 playoffs... Better than Lincecum even.
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    If you don't know that Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in the league then you don't know baseball.People who look at w-l records and blame that on the pitcher are fukking retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warriorfan707 View Post
    If you don't know that Matt Cain is one of the best pitchers in the league then you don't know baseball.People who look at w-l records and blame that on the pitcher are fukking retarded.
    greg maddux went 16-6 and 19-2 when he was at his best, it shows you what a dominant pitchers WL record can be
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  17. 04-02-12 04:50 PM #17
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    Better pitcher than lincecum. Timmy will not last for the long haul. Cain will still be around and timmy will be long gone driving his hippie van around the bay area
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    would rather have him than lincecum, but still overpaid by $5M/season
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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post
    would rather have him than lincecum, but still overpaid by $5M/season
    20 mil is not overpaid

    That piece of shit zito makes 26 mil a year to referee sunflower seed spitting contests on the bench every game

    Whats it gonna look like if mgmt tries to pay less than zito. Guy woukdnt accept it
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  20. 04-02-12 04:59 PM #20
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    the dodgers(new owners) scared the shit out of The gnats.. Made them overpay.
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  21. 04-02-12 05:06 PM #21
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    what does the w-l have to do with anything? a pitcher really has no control over that for a number of factors, his bullpen, his offense, his defense. his overall numbers whip, era, bb per 9 k/9, all look good.
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  22. 04-02-12 05:22 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by neverstoppers23 View Post
    what does the w-l have to do with anything? a pitcher really has no control over that for a number of factors, his bullpen, his offense, his defense. his overall numbers whip, era, bb per 9 k/9, all look good.
    Exactly if you are basing a pitchers worth and value on a w-l record your obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Especially now where all pitchers are on pitch counts and hardly ever finish a gme unlike past generations.
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    His career ERA and WHIP are solid....
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  24. 04-02-12 07:47 PM #24
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    Go figure the King of the Squares sees a losing record as more important than ERA and WHIP.
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  25. 04-02-12 07:50 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by hockey216 View Post
    Cain is a good pitcher so im not trying to say he sucks.

    but he must have a good agent. It always amuses me how you have cy young candidates like Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz who are consistently lights out making 300,000 and 700,000... and you got guys like John Lackey (ERA 6.41 last year) who make over $15 million.

    some of the best guys are practically working for free. other mediocre talents are getting far overpaid. we see it in the nba too. part of the problem is long term contracts.
    That is just how baseball contracts work. You don't get paid much when you're young. It progressively gets bigger the longer you are in the pros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStale View Post
    Go figure the King of the Squares sees a losing record as more important than ERA and WHIP.
    W-L records mean nothing. Anyone who has ever watched baseball for a couple seasons can realize that. I remember one year Kevin Tapani posted a 4 ERA or so at Wrigley and was like 4-17.

    I've seen Cain lose more 2-1 games than any pitcher in baseball the last few years.
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    Cain is a top 5 sp in this league, well worth every cent boys.
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  28. 04-02-12 09:27 PM #28
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    Seriously astonishing to me that people still put any value behind wins/losses.

    Can thorw a one hitter, your shortstop boots a grounder and you lose 1-0.

    Look at ERA, WHIP, WAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PickWinnerAllDay View Post
    W-L records mean nothing. Anyone who has ever watched baseball for a couple seasons can realize that. I remember one year Kevin Tapani posted a 4 ERA or so at Wrigley and was like 4-17.

    I've seen Cain lose more 2-1 games than any pitcher in baseball the last few years.
    Felix Hernandez is #1 in this situation. Guy would win 24 games a year if he were on the Yankees.
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    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...732&position=P

    The Giants rewarded him because he's well worth the money....he has improved year after year in BABIP, FIP, GB/FB%, K%, etc. Guy is a stud.
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    Cain is also pretty safe compared to other pitchers because he uses that portly body of his to generate a good amount of his power. Guys that have serious torque on their shoulders can always fall apart but it is a lot less likely Cain has injury trouble down the road due to his calm motion and distributed power.
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    Giants should have put that money towards offense

    That offensive unit is pathetic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Br0nxer View Post
    Love to have him on yanks

    Frontine starter. Anyone that says no is a dummy

    Horrible offense. Guy would win 20+ every year on yanks

    Yanks almost had him a straight up for Matsui 5 or 6 years ago
    Would have been awesome now, but Matsui carried us to the World Series in 2009
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    1) Matt Cain is worth the money he got in this current market.

    2) Matt Cain is not Greg Maddux. Do not compare the two.

    3) Ivan Nova went 16-4 last year, and will almost definitely be going to the minors once Pineda and 53 yr old Andy Pettite come back. The only people that say crap like "He's a pitcher who knows how to win" are mindless hacks like Joe Morgan or Tim McCarver.

    4) Giants still have enough to sign another big FA if they wanted, and still use their farm to develop offense similar to what the Cardinals do. It's not like football to where if you have all your money tied up in three positions, the rest of your team can't be good because of the salary cap.

    5) If Lincecum does stay healthy all year, they do have a slight problem on their hands next season, but it is manageable.
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    was a must for them, that a babe!
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