[Ulia]

Hello, first of all sorry for bad English. Few week ago I deposit 2000 via moneybookers to vipsports and after my bets I win near 14000. 10 day ago I try withdraw via moneybookers but thay don’t withdraw, I wait few day and ask them where my money, thay say me that thay have problems with moneybookers, I say okey and withdraw 5000 via wire, today my bank told me that thay get funds for me with not correct account number and for this reason cant credit my account, today I told this vip support, and get answer that thay foget about last 3 digits of my account number, and I may be get this funds on next week. I say okey. Thay close my account today and say me that thay don’t what I wage at vip, I understand tham I win near 14000 for few weeks. Thay close my account, but my account balance is 7691 now, I say them sent 7691 to my moneybookers account as I deposit by moneybookers. But cash out clerk Alexsandra say you may be get this money next week by wire and terminate chat. I deposit by money bookers and whant moneybookers back, what is not correct? that I win 80% of bets with price -110? Today will be NFL and I want bet on it, pay me and I swith to other sportbook, I find on SBR good “A” sportbooks and speak with them about my bets, and get answer that thay will be happy if I make bets with them. I nead cash and can exchange moneybookers for cach in ehchange office. VIP delays for my moneybookers for 10 days, not correct sent wire, thay can close my account but mast pay my balance. Help me get my moneybookers today!!!

[Willie Bee]

Ulia, sorry to hear you're having trouble with this. Please send your account info and all withdrawal history to assistance@sportsbookreview.com and we'll see what we can find out from VIP.

[Ulia]

I sent email with my account number, about history, I cant log in, thay say me you not customer any more, I want to check my history too, I dont now what to think, they every day promise me moneybookers payout but dont do this, I have e-mails from them in wich thay told me today you will get moneybookers, but I dont get nothing and now thay closed accaunt. Thay say me that thay sent history to my e-mail, but I dont get nothing. How its possible, in spring when I look to open account thay was ready to answer to any my questions, but now the only one thing thay do is say you not customer any more. I want to think about NFL games, but only one I can think now how get payd.

[Ulia]

I try contact with vip in chat, and get answer only from 40 minuts of wait in chat, and the only thing thay say, that you not customer of vip, when you get funds we dont now. May be I understand something not correct, close account- than pay balance, but thay close account and use my money for company finance neads. How its possible thay have "a" raiting, but dont pay me, dont answer. When I sign up I have many questions about how deposit and thay speak with me about this with no delay.

[tacomax]

Ulia, leave this to SBR to sort out or wait for the wire. I can't see that VIP have done much wrong here. They've closed your account since you're not the type of player they want - annoying for you but understandable for them. Additionally, they are paying you some of your winnings by a different method to which you deposited which a lot of books do - again, annoying for you but understandable for them. And I really don't think that VIP are struggling so hard that they need a few thousand dollars of your money to keep their company afloat.

[kiwi]

But it is still very unpolite that they don't talk to him anymore just because he beated them. At least they should allow him to see his betting history and really make sure that he receives all money he won.

[Ulia]

I understand that 12961 is not big money for VIP, but I want bet on NFL and NCCA, and I want now, I have some ideas about few game and want bet, and whatch one game and bet on 2 half. I am not welcome, no problems pay me, I deposit moneybookers pay me momeybookers and I will go to other sportbook, I speak with one and thay say welcome, why I mast wait wire for week, I want bet on this week NFL. Thay pay me only 2500 in 10 days frame, this is normal? Thay sent one wire 5000 to not correct bank accaunt and I nead now wait before money return to them and thay sent thay again, this is normal. Now is 2 hours how nowbody answer me in live chat, this ok? I tell them give me login and check my history, I will not make bets, thay say no, this is normal?

[chano]

Ulia, leave this to SBR to sort out or wait for the wire. I can't see that VIP have done much wrong here. They've closed your account since you're not the type of player they want - annoying for you but understandable for them. Additionally, they are paying you some of your winnings by a different method to which you deposited which a lot of books do - again, annoying for you but understandable for them. And I really don't think that VIP are struggling so hard that they need a few thousand dollars of your money to keep their company afloat.

How would you know they are not struggling?, I find it strange that their moneybookers isn't working and that someone forgot 3 digits of his account, yet they are an "A" rated book? Something wrong here?

[Ulia]

This is one of many email that I have, vip promise me moneybookers pay out 2 times, I dont get this pay out and thay dont make wire pay out, this realy "A" pay out raiting:

Dear ************,
Thank you for contacting Vip.com.

We are sorry to inform you that your Moneybookers withdrawal was not processed today because we had some technical difficulties with the Moneybookers processor.
We'll process your withdrawal tomorrow after 3:00 PM EST.

We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact us at anytime.

Kind regards,



Dayanara
Cashout Support


A Leisure & Gaming plc. Company

t: 1-800-300-BETS
t: +599-9-737-4777 ext. 6929
f: +599-9-737-4776
e: support@vip.com


www.vip.com


--Original Message--
From: **************
Date: 8/31/2006 5:31:54 PM
To: cashout@vip.com
Subject: ?????: Re: withdraw [#**********]

Why nobody answer me for 30 minutes in live chat? Why you dint processed my moneybookers withdraw? I think that the only thing about what I nead to think is on what make bet, but about week I think how get funds. Is it possible for company make pay outs with out big delays?

"VIP.com" Dear Ulia,
Thank you for contacting VIP.com.
We would like to inform you that your Money bookers withdrawal will be processed today after 3 o'clock eastern time for the amount of $2500.00.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact us at any time.


Kind regards,



Sadie
Cashout Support


A Leisure & Gaming plc. Company

t: 1-800-300-BETS
t: +599-9-737-4777 ext. 6551
f: +599-9-737-4776
e: support@vip.com

www.vip.com

--Original Message--
From: ***************
Date: 8/31/2006 3:04:51 AM
To: cashout@vip.com
Subject: withdraw


ID ***********

I have pending 2500 moneybookers withdraw, its look like you again have problems with moneybookers. If it is not posible for you withdraw 2500 moneybookers today, then withdraw today 5000 wire. Email to me what I will get moneybookers or wire?


Beneficiary bank:***********
Address: **************
Beneficiary Account:*****************
Beneficiary name: *******************

[fearless]

In the future, you may want to use tradesports.com, here's why:

Trust, Security and Confidentiality are cornerstones of the Exchange and these matters are of the utmost important to us. Important facts for you to consider:

Segregated Funds: Your funds are held in segregated accounts with Allied Irish Banks, Irelands largest bank which are completely separate and distinct from the Exchanges own reserves

Auditors: Trade Exchange Network is audited by a "Big-4" audit firm and their audit report is unqualified.

Safer by Design: If the Dow Jones crashes, the New York Stock Exchange doesn't go bankrupt. In the same way, the Exchange doesn't lose money when an unusual result arises. Whenever you trade, we will 'freeze' sufficient money in your account to cover your potential losses. If you lose, we simply transfer the already frozen money from your account to a winning customer account. If you win, we pay your winnings from a losing customer account.

Member Specific Bank Accounts: Your funds and those of all exchange member funds are held separate and segregated from the Company's own capital at Allied Irish Banks and Anglo Irish Bank. To provide additional transparency we have introduced a unique service where an individual member can have a specific account established within the suite of segregated accounts.

This service further separates your funds from those of other members and enables you to see on an individual Bank Statement your balance, and transactions. This service which includes receiving a periodic hard copy bank statement is being offered to members with $50,000 or more in their account for free. All other members can avail of this facility for $50p.m.

[tacomax]

How would you know they are not struggling?

The OP was insinuating that VIP was holding onto his money because the company was having financial problems. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. You disagree?

[tacomax]

In the future, you may want to use https://www.tradesports.com/, here's why:

Trust, Security and Confidentiality are cornerstones of the Exchange and these matters are of the utmost important to us. Important facts for you to consider:

Segregated Funds: Your funds are held in segregated accounts with Allied Irish Banks, Irelands largest bank which are completely separate and distinct from the Exchanges own reserves

Auditors: Trade Exchange Network is audited by a "Big-4" audit firm and their audit report is unqualified.

Safer by Design: If the Dow Jones crashes, the New York Stock Exchange doesn't go bankrupt. In the same way, the Exchange doesn't lose money when an unusual result arises. Whenever you trade, we will 'freeze' sufficient money in your account to cover your potential losses. If you lose, we simply transfer the already frozen money from your account to a winning customer account. If you win, we pay your winnings from a losing customer account.

Member Specific Bank Accounts: Your funds and those of all exchange member funds are held separate and segregated from the Company's own capital at Allied Irish Banks and Anglo Irish Bank. To provide additional transparency we have introduced a unique service where an individual member can have a specific account established within the suite of segregated accounts.

This service further separates your funds from those of other members and enables you to see on an individual Bank Statement your balance, and transactions. This service which includes receiving a periodic hard copy bank statement is being offered to members with $50,000 or more in their account for free. All other members can avail of this facility for $50p.m.

Wow - you posted the same crap on another thread earlier today.

BetAndWin (Bwin) close my acc and stole over 3k usd

Are you getting paid per post by Tradesports?

[fearless]

Are you getting paid per post by Tradesports?

No, I'm a happy customer. They've never misplaced one penny of my money after years of using their site and they're the only "sportsbook" type site that I really trust. I trust them more than neteller or paypal for that matter.

Why do you say what I posted is "crap" when it's a fact? If you think there's something untrue about what I posted, please tell me exactly what's wrong with it and provide evidence, don't just call it "crap" for no reason.

[tacomax]

Why do you say what I posted is "crap" when it's a fact?

I'm not disputing the accuracy of the posting, but it's still crap.

You've seemingly cut and pasted stuff from the website and posted it here not once but twice within a matter of hours as if you're someone trying to get some free advertising for Tradesports. Have a research on forum shills (or just read the posts by raiders72001 here on SBR) and you'll see what I'm on about.

[chano]

The OP was insinuating that VIP was holding onto his money because the company was having financial problems. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. You disagree?

No, I dont disagree, I just believe there is more here than a technical problem with moneybookers and an error in his account number. An " A" rated book should never behave in this manner.

[fearless]

I'm not disputing the accuracy of the posting, but it's still crap.

Trying to help people not be cheated of their money is "crap."

I posted the same thing in two threads where people were cheated out of their winnings. I'm trying to let them know that there is a safe alternative where they can win forever and they'll never have to worry about:

A) Their money being stolen.
B) Their account being closed.
C) Their limits being lowered.
etc. etc. etc.

You don't think that's important? You call someone's financial safety "crap."

[Ulia]

A bout Tradesport, I dont now what is this I begin bet on sport only on spring, wins a little and foget about wage, and few weeks ago I think why not bet on NFL. I have accaunt only on vip and begin play, and I see that I win, vip dont make my pay outs, thay give me only promises, but I was thinking that thay have finance "A" and I will get payd. Now I see that thay tell me for 10 days about technical problems with moneybookers, what kind this problems are if thay cant do nothing for 10 days? As you can see I give them chose moneybookers or wire, thay say moneybookers but dont sent them to me, thay sent to me only promises via email. And when understand that I win to match close my accaunt. Sure I want belive that this technical problems, but this technical problems look like finance problems.

[tacomax]

Trying to help people not be cheated of their money is "crap."

Either you're missing the point on purpose or you just ain't bright enough to understand a simple explanation, I'm not sure which one.

Here it is again even simpler - posting the virtues of a book multiple times per day looks like shilling. Even more so when you're not even relaying your own experiences but merely copying and pasting stuff from the sportsbook website. I'm sure that even BetOnStars had something on their website somewhere about being safer than Fort Knox.

But honestly, if you think that posting the same stuff about Tradesports multiple times a day is a good idea then don't let me stop you.

[fearless]

It just so happens that same topic came up and I gave the same reply, I'm just trying to help.

I'm sure that even BetOnStars had something on their website somewhere about being safer than Fort Knox.

Words are words but I doubt that there's another sportsbook-type site that does these things in actuality:

Your funds and those of all exchange member funds are held separate and segregated from the Company's own capital at Allied Irish Banks and Anglo Irish Bank.
To provide additional transparency we have introduced a unique service where an individual member can have a specific account established within the suite of segregated accounts. This service further separates your funds from those of other members and enables you to see on an individual Bank Statement your balance, and transactions.

Seriously, if you can't see the significance of this, I don't understand where you're coming from.

Money deposited at tradesports is as good as money in the bank because it is literally money in the bank. To provide additional transparency we have introduced a unique service where an individual member can have a specific account established within the suite of segregated accounts. If you know of another sportsbetting site that has that feature, let me know, it's important.

[sergfro]

hmm i have $4,000 in vip...not worried

[Yoshi]

I will still trust Pinnacle or CRIS more than Tradesports, no matter how much you shill rainbow

[tacomax]

Seriously, if you can't see the significance of this, I don't understand where you're coming from.

OK, I get you now. Since you read it on a website then it must be true. Much like similar promises at the now defunct Sporting Options exchange. Much like similar promises that all customer funds were held it escrow at just about any bookie that has ever gone bust - BetOnSports, NoJuice, BetPanAm etc. etc.

Thanks for that, rainbowworld. You're certainly teaching me a thing or two today.

[fearless]

I will still trust Pinnacle or CRIS more than Tradesports, no matter how much you shill rainbow

Why?

I'm just tooting their horn, I'm not shilling.

[Yoshi]

Lol why? Maybe because they are only C+, iam sure there are many other reasons thou.

[fearless]

....similar promises...similar promises

Please research this and prove me wrong:

Auditors: Trade Exchange Network is audited by a "Big-4" audit firm and their audit report is unqualified.

When somelthing is proven to be true (ie by an audit), it isn't a promise anymore. Why don't you research tradesports and get back to me rather than comparing it to other unaffiliated companies.

[fearless]

Lol why? Maybe because they are only C+, iam sure there are many other reasons thou.

link?

[Yoshi]

Just look up the SBR ratings. They are maybe not perfect, but the best of all watchdogs (and so calleds) by FAR.

[magnavox]

BetGameDay finance A+?

[Chuck Sims]

I too would like to know why this poster seemingly is getting screwed over for winning.

For a square book that lowers limits to a $1 in a flash, how did this player win $14,000? Terrible service for a book that does not deserve a A+ rating.

[fearless]

OK, I get you now. Since you read it on a website then it must be true. Much like similar promises at the now defunct Sporting Options exchange. Much like similar promises that all customer funds were held it escrow at just about any bookie that has ever gone bust - BetOnSports, NoJuice, BetPanAm etc. etc.

I didn't even realize it originally but you changed the subject. I was saying that at tradesports you don't have to worry about any of these types of things:

A) your money being stolen.
B) your account being closed.
C) your limits being lowered.
etc. etc. etc.

The guys who posted these threads where their winnings were stolen made a quick killing in a short amount of time and they wanted to withdraw their money after that. They would have no trouble at tradesports, with anything. That's why I was recommending it. I mean, even Microsoft could conceivably go out of business, everyone has to make their own mind up whether or not they trust a company. But, if you think you can turn $2000 into $16000 and you're concerned that a sportsbook will try and cheat you out of your winnings, tradesports will not do that. I'm sure that you won't be able to find a legitimate case of tradesports cheating someone out of their money. With the way they keep people's money in seperate accounts in the bank, they may not even be able to steal your money even if they want to. I'm pretty sure you can't say that about any other sportsbook type site. Please prove me wrong if you can.

[tacomax]

I'm sure that you won't be able to find a legitimate case of tradesports cheating someone out of their money.

Here's one:

16/07/2006 00:25:00
TradeBetx (SBR rating B) incomplete rules lead to player losses
The player bet that a boxer, J. Taylor "will not win the fight". The wording of the wager suggests that the bettor will win the wager if the opposing fighter wins or if there is a draw. The bettor confirmed prior to the match by email, that a draw would indeed result in a winning ticket. TradebetX has voided the winning bet that would have delivered over $2,000.

Exchange Manager: "Again I apologise that you were originally misinformed about our boxing rules on Friday. The rules that you quoted were incomplete and so in a case like this the Exchange determines what is the fairest solution to all our members and in this case, voiding the bets was the most appropriate course of action. I do appreciate that you were misinformed originally and so as a gesture of goodwill I have added a credit of $50 to your account."

Sister trading site, TRADESPORTS (SBR rating B), has also been the subject of recent wagering disputes. SBR will speak with management further and reevaluate the Trade Exchange Network.

And here's another one:

http://www.chrisfmasse.com/2/2006/20...to_TradeSports

Here's where they have been cancelling bets:

Tradesports.....Cancelling bets

Although I'm sure you'll say that these aren't legitimate cases, right?

[Santo]

The thing is in each case the beneficiary wasn't Tradesports... I'm really still undecided on those issues, but I continue to put a decent amount of action in at TBX.

[fearless]

Here's one:



And here's another one:

http://www.chrisfmasse.com/2/2006/20...to_TradeSports

Here's where they have been cancelling bets:

Tradesports.....Cancelling bets

Although I'm sure you'll say that these aren't legitimate cases, right?

I've never even heard of the TradeBetx site, I have no idea about that site.

As to the last two links you posted, I don't have enough information to say anything about the first one (who does?). As with the second one, I think this reply from the market maker is right on:

"Hanco21, I was the MMer who had the trades unwound. I bought a total of 600 contracts between 55 and 62. I noticed th error right away and informed TS. The exchange unwound those trades as they were unrepresented prices. The Runline should never trade premiun to the Moneyline. All trades were cancelled immediately before the game even started. I apologize for loss but the price wasn't fair.

JC, the example you gave about the stock options trade was related to quantity and not price so it isn't relevant."

Tradesports isn't going to do anything like what happened to Ulia.

[Santo]

Tradebetx is Tradesports, just expressed in odds +100/-110 instead of contracts 50/48.