[BrentCrude]

What F rated SBR book is actually pretty good?Free and fast payouts,good bonuses with good terms,good betting lines.etc.Anyone care to out themselves at betting at an F rated book?

[Mikail]

I use sportsbook.com They aren't an F book though. I think their a D book.

Decent betting options. OK lines. Payouts are a pain in the ass but they do pay.

[Smoke]

[darkhat]

Many years ago I used sportsbook.com before I discovered this site. I would get paid, but it'd take 6 weeks or more for a check. Thank god i found SBR.

[Reload]

I was pretty active with sportsbook.com about five years ago and never had any problems. Got five-figure checks a couple of times quickly. But these days, I just stick to the top-tier books.

[erickvivar]

I play with BetRevolution and I think they have them here as a "D". Which is definitely not the right rating (I dont have any complaints about them, nor I think there is any on the forum).

So if you are happy with your book, and do not see a reason for the rating, you maybe probably right and there could be something behind the scenes that will keep the book from moving up here in SBR.

[greenhippo]

sportsbook.com as well. Only one I've used until moving to 5dimes. Everything about the site itself as far as CS and lines were to me at least, very well done. It's the withdrawals and handling of money I hated, took about 5 weeks to get a check, hated it. Now that I see you can get your money within a day, there's no sense in me sticking with them.

[greenhippo]

That being said, waiting until MLB to bet with 5dimes, but now I'm reading a lot of good reviews about betislands, thinking they might be a tad better?

[Kindred]

Anyone that deposits at an F book is contributing to con artist thieves!

Without depositors these scam artists couldn't survive. Why would you support anyone that steals from fellow gamblers.

I've been stiffed by a futurebet book..but had I known their rep I never would have deposited. Not just out of fear that I wouldn't get paid but why would I support scammy con artists?

D rated books are a different story. F books flat out don't pay

Playeronly used to have a $200 a week big +ev blackjack bonus, I was able to rape them for almost a year and never had a problem getting paid. The year bodog was having huge delays playersonly/sportsbook.com took from end of NBA playoffs in June to October to pay. But Bodog was way backed up too so pretty sure it was a payment processor issue not a cash flow problem.

But again they were/are D not F

[DudleyDawson]

I still have money in WSEX after all these years, not sure what they're rated.

[sportsbetwin]

	Can't argue with any F ratings on SBR list

[secretstash]

***** is rated D here which is way off since their sister site ***** is a C rating. ***** has better customer service then them and the same payout speed since they became active 3 months ago.

IMO it should be upgraded but I dont work here.


other notables that have paid me and others that are low ratings. - northbet / ezstreet / betrevolution

gl

-stash

[lukahh]

there are several skewed ratings there, especially for euro books.
nevertheless i would be embarassed before myself if playing at F book... can you fall any lower?

[DudleyDawson]

northbet is legit

[SBR_John]

If lower tier books were all that were available then I guess some would consider them better than nothing. But as long as there are A rated books there is no reason to send money to a high risk book. Some of the books mentioned in this thread are a few bad booking days from joining the ranks of Synbet, Lazorwager and Creditwagering. Others like Sportsbook.com and SBG have ripped off scores of players over many years. Both groups fall into the category of who needs the hassle when there are much safer options?

[DudleyDawson]

If lower tier books were all that were available then I guess some would consider them better than nothing. But as long as there are A rated books there is no reason to send money to a high risk book. Some of the books mentioned in this thread are a few bad booking days from joining the ranks of Synbet, Lazorwager and Creditwagering. Others like Sportsbook.com and SBG have ripped off scores of players over many years. Both groups fall into the category of who needs the hassle when there are much safer options?

Heritage
betislands
bookmaker
legends
5dimes

All there is worth using for Americans, imo.

[SBR_John]

Heritage
betislands
bookmaker
legends
5dimes

All there is worth using for Americans, imo.

Good list. Which is kind of my point. That's a great list, you have a million betting options and if you go a tear you don't have to worry about getting paid.

[durito]

It's not quite so straightforward.

As of this week:

Legends offers 1k MB payouts per month.

BettingExpress (sb skin) pays out 20k MB in one day.

[SBR_John]

If an ole boy is just going to lose then in reality a D or F rated book is just fine.

Look at the recent Ez street situation where a guy made and lost 7 deposits. On his 8th deposit he hit it out of the park winning over $40k. And what did he get paid from this D book?? Nothing. We see this same story over and over. Stay with the good books because you never know when you are going on a run and when you do you want touch the cash not be stiffed.

[durito]

They were not rated D at the time.

Your advice is excellent for career losing gamblers. People that can manage risk know better.

[erickvivar]

I dont know if I agree with Johns comments. Example, BetIslands is quite new to the Arena, they are paying but some of the books mentioned on the list are also paying without hiccups or questions. They offer good service and good lines, they have similar restrictions on maximum and minimum bets and the amounts for withdrawals just like BI. BI may claimed they have good funding, but similar claims can be said by anyone else because pretty much no one on the industry is braggin about how much money they have and if they are, then it is a risk because they are a target.

Looking at buildings or installations means nothing, we've seen BP, and others going that path based on own John words on previous posts.

Only difference I see is BI advertises here.

Thankfully the new kids on the block do not depend on sites like this one to continue and allow us to have good bonuses, and a higher level of attention than the big boys that are now used to getting all the attention and do not improve on a daily basis. Gotta love competition.

[DudleyDawson]

Good list. Which is kind of my point. That's a great list, you have a million betting options and if you go a tear you don't have to worry about getting paid.

SBR is a great asset for guys like myself betting offshore, but the problem is, is only 10% of offshore bettors are gambling forum posters. So without this forum I can totally see how some of these books like WSEX are keeping the lights on.

[flyingillini]

bitcoinsportsbook should be A+, you receive your funds within 10 minutes to your instawallet...No limits either...

[sportsbetwin]

The most grossly underated sportsbook on SBR is Luxbet.
Rated a C it runs rings around most of the offshore books rated A+ here.
Arguably the safest book in the world.
Not US accepting so not a priority here.

[SBR_John]

They were not rated D at the time.

Your advice is excellent for career losing gamblers. People that can manage risk know better.

About 96% to 98% fall into the category you call career losing gamblers. In my 13 years in this racket I've noticed very sharp players never fund a Ez street or any second tier books. They fund Pinny, Greek, Betfair, Bookmaker type places. Then there is the group who are more angle guys because they are not sharp enough to beat a solid book straight up. Nothing against them just stating fact. These are the guys who fund anywhere that has a good bonus and a slow moving line and we have helped many of them through the years.

Bottomline is if you are an everyday gambler or very sharp stay with A books. If you want to try to make money exploiting slow lines and bonuses you have to play at low rated books or as Durito likes to call it "manage risk" which is code for get in and get out before they go up.

[thetrinity]

lol at betting the f books wuld rather lite the cash on fire. its hard enough to win as it is, then it takes an act of god to get the money.

[5mike5]

lol at betting the f books wuld rather lite the cash on fire. its hard enough to win as it is, then it takes an act of god to get the money.

[Albania]

I have played with Betclick rated as D+ but excellent services and bets. fast payout just they limit you if you win a little bit more than normally.

[MUHerd37]

I used sportsbook.com and BetUS before I found SBR. I got paid and it never took long at all.

[bluesquad]

From time to time I think its good to use new books and see how they pay, even that I dont like to have big sums of money in my books account, any of them can close down and no one is going to get your money back even on top rated books, remember bos and last years scandals with covers? well it can happen to all of the books.... hell the even took down megaupload and all that crap.

Even thou I dont have any F book on my list at the moment, I start from the letter D.

[durito]

About 96% to 98% fall into the category you call career losing gamblers. In my 13 years in this racket I've noticed very sharp players never fund a Ez street or any second tier books. They fund Pinny, Greek, Betfair, Bookmaker type places. Then there is the group who are more angle guys because they are not sharp enough to beat a solid book straight up. Nothing against them just stating fact. These are the guys who fund anywhere that has a good bonus and a slow moving line and we have helped many of them through the years.

Bottomline is if you are an everyday gambler or very sharp stay with A books. If you want to try to make money exploiting slow lines and bonuses you have to play at low rated books or as Durito likes to call it "manage risk" which is code for get in and get out before they go up.

You must not know many actual sharps, because all of the professionals that I know that can (and do) beat all the A books you mention that also play at all the C and D books (this includes your employees). Why? More money > less money. It isn't about "angle shooting" as you and sportsbooks call it when you get beat, it's about finding the best line possible on what you want to bet (or needing more outs to get more down).

Despite your insistence that it was around the corner over the years, sportsbook.com isn't going up any time soon. They've stolen plenty over the years and I certainly wouldn't recommend them to a recreational gambler, but to anyone that wants to make money it's a worthwhile risk.

I'm sure my bookmaker/greek/bol etc accounts are on your sheets, unless those books agreed to let you take big winners off.

[SBR_John]

Durito I'm talking about true professionals. The guys behind TheGreek, Pinny, Billy Walters, Rue, Baxter and a thousand others. I can assure you they are not wasting their time polish middling out of a crap book. That's a different group and I have nothing against them. You and the SickGambler types scavenge the lower rated books. Even Sick Gambler would admit he couldn't couldnt beat Pinny and wouldnt waste time trying. You can't put the scavenger class in the same group as real professional players that are making a million+ a year.

[durito]

Durito I'm talking about true professionals. The guys behind TheGreek, Pinny, Billy Walters, Rue, Baxter and a thousand others. I can assure you they are not wasting their time polish middling out of a crap book. That's a different group and I have nothing against them. You and the SickGambler types scavenge the lower rated books. Even Sick Gambler would admit he couldn't couldnt beat Pinny and wouldnt waste time trying. You can't put the scavenger class in the same group as real professional players that are making a million+ a year.

You can't read apparently.

You are right, if you need to make a million a year to be a "true professional" then most pro's I know are not included. That's a pretty steep figure though. And you are also right, if you can ship a mil at pinny every year bothering with other books is probably pointless. But, for the rest of us that grind out a few hundred k a year it certainly is (and I can and do beat pinny, greek, bookmaker etc.)

[sharpcat]

Durito I'm talking about true professionals. The guys behind TheGreek, Pinny, Billy Walters, Rue, Baxter and a thousand others. I can assure you they are not wasting their time polish middling out of a crap book. That's a different group and I have nothing against them. You and the SickGambler types scavenge the lower rated books. Even Sick Gambler would admit he couldn't couldnt beat Pinny and wouldnt waste time trying. You can't put the scavenger class in the same group as real professional players that are making a million+ a year.

So Justin7 lies when he says that he is a professional gambler?