[onlòóker]

Do you feel its ok for the baseballs at Coors to be stored in a Humidor? Wouldnt that make them like mini softballs?

Im not really sure on the complete story of this, but one reason I heard was it would make the games move along faster and not have long drawn out innings of hit after hit.

I know the pitchers like it. Hitters have to hate it.

They shouldnt be allowed to alter the ball, in anyway.
I give it a thumbs down.

[bigboydan]

like i mentioned in another thread here earlier tonight. I'm surprised the union hasn't filed a complaint against this one.

the sharps are loving this one!

[Willie Bee]

I'm for anything that tries to even out conditions from one park to the next as far as the ball goes. Maybe they don't have the thing set exactly right, but the alternative would be a far more costly stadium renovation or going back to the 10-8 pitchers duels we saw in Denver before.

What basis would the union have for a complaint, Dan? I can't see the pitchers complaining, and the outfielders who used to have to stand back near the wall and helplessly watch these little dink singles plop in front of them are probably ok with it as well.

[RickySteve]

I agree with Willie that all variation should eliminated from the game. Heterogeneous playing environments are bad for baseball. Freaks like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park should both be torn down immediately. Dodgers Stadium and Petco Park should have the walls moved in to 275 feet to compensate for low run totals. Every game should end 5-4, with fines levied to both managers & players for deviations. For the sake of all that is good and pure in the game, MLB must build replicas in all 30 major league cities of the Astrodome, the perfect sterile ballpark and greatest architectural achievement known to man. Only then can we move out of the dark age of variety that baseball has been in for the last hundred years.

[Willie Bee]

Amazing how far you stretched my opinion that if there's a way to even things out a little with the ball that must mean all stadium nuances should be done away with

[isetcap]

All baseballs should be manufactured in the same place under exacting conditions as specified by MLB. The balls should then be cryogenically sealed and remain untouched until gametime. When you start to allow "appropriate deviation" without evaluation, it is a certainty it will be carried too far. If Colorado were actually performing at a level that differed significantly from past seasons, I'm sure you would be hearing more from MLB about how this is a real issue.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by Willie Bee

Amazing how far you stretched my opinion that if there's a way to even things out a little with the ball that must mean all stadium nuances should be done away with

So low-scoring environments should be playing with flubber balls then, right champ?

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by isetcap

If Colorado were actually performing at a level that differed significantly from past seasons, I'm sure you would be hearing more from MLB about how this is a real issue.

Coors Field’s one-year park factors since 2001, per ESPN.com, and its rank in MLB:

Runs Rk HR Rk Hits Rk

2001 1458 2 1457 2 1270 4
2002 1440 1 1600 1 1232 3
2003 1243 4 1369 2 1146 2
2004 1412 1 1235 4 1240 1
2005 1285 1 1119 8 1254 1

2006 973 17 1114 9 1021 11

[Richy Rich]

I have profited from the UNDER this year. And will continue to play the UNDER.

I was also BIG on the Rockies losing on the road. They haven't been those lovable losers on the road tho. Wonder if the new humidor 'settings' have anything to do with this anomaly? Rockies were a virtual LOCK to lose 2 out 3 road games prior to this year.

[Willie Bee]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

Coors Field’s one-year park factors since 2001, per ESPN.com, and its rank in MLB:

Runs Rk HR Rk Hits Rk

2001 1458 2 1457 2 1270 4
2002 1440 1 1600 1 1232 3
2003 1243 4 1369 2 1146 2
2004 1412 1 1235 4 1240 1
2005 1285 1 1119 8 1254 1

2006 973 17 1114 9 1021 11

Something seems amiss here, RS, especially in the HR column. I find it a bit odd that there were 1457 HR in 2001, but only 1270 hits. And it totally escapes me how there could be 1600 HR in 2002, but only 1440 Runs.

[Illusion]

I believe baseball should not be tweaked in away way including the balls. They need to get rid of the humidor.

[Willie Bee]

Are you saying they should have made it just 330 down the line in Coors as well? They certainly tweaked the stadium to begin with, and that didn't work.

[Illusion]

Let me ask you this then, should players be allowed to use alluminum bats at PetCo and SafeCo then? It's not quite the same thing, but you get my point.

[scottyy11]

bottom line i think its up to the rockies, if they felt that the game was being made a mockery and now its more level i'm ok with it.....i guess because i like lower scoring games aswell, .............a good grounds crew does things and tweaks the field so it plays against the oppositions strength.

[Willie Bee]

They've adjusted fences in at Petco and have the same ability in Safeco if they deem it's the right thing to do. Look at all of the parks that did just that in the 80s and 90s. If you simply move the fences back at Coors, it will NOT stop offense, just lower HR totals.

How many more runs did the Padres score at home in 2004 compared to 2005, their first year in Petco? How about 21 runs fewer at Petco as opposed to the old Jack Murphy. Is that such a huge difference you would advocate aluminum bats as the best way to keep it from being a park that was tougher to hit in?

Denver is a HUGE difference compared to every other MLB park in the game.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by Willie Bee

Something seems amiss here, RS, especially in the HR column. I find it a bit odd that there were 1457 HR in 2001, but only 1270 hits. And it totally escapes me how there could be 1600 HR in 2002, but only 1440 Runs.

Coors Field’s one-year park factors since 2001

Anything else you need me to read to you?

[scottyy11]

got to admit i cant make heads or tails of those numbers ricky looks like a granchow puzzle ...how is it possibleto have 1600 homers and only 1200 hits in 2002?

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

I agree with Willie that all variation should eliminated from the game. Heterogeneous playing environments are bad for baseball. Freaks like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park should both be torn down immediately. Dodgers Stadium and Petco Park should have the walls moved in to 275 feet to compensate for low run totals. Every game should end 5-4, with fines levied to both managers & players for deviations. For the sake of all that is good and pure in the game, MLB must build replicas in all 30 major league cities of the Astrodome, the perfect sterile ballpark and greatest architectural achievement known to man. Only then can we move out of the dark age of variety that baseball has been in for the last hundred years.

I gather that this is meant to be sarcastic but I would love it. When it comes to betting, I have no interest in quirks and tradition and the romance of the game .

I'm more in line with the players and owners in that MLB is about making as much money as possible. I believe that uniform ballparks would be better for my gambling systems than the status quo.

The jury is out on humidor balls.

[RickySteve]

No, the jury is not out on the humidor. Coors Field, elevation 5,277 feet, is now a slight pitcher's park.

I guess it's no coincidence that you guys are such big fans of soggy balls.

[RickySteve]

Originally Posted by scottyy11

got to admit i cant make heads or tails of those numbers ricky looks like a granchow puzzle ...how is it possibleto have 1600 homers and only 1200 hits in 2002?

Coors Field’s one-year park factors since 2001

Coors Field’s one-year park factors since 2001

Coors Field’s one-year park factors since 2001

Why do I always assume everyone posting has an IQ above 100?

[isetcap]

It's cool...I think they should paint some whiffle balls like real baseballs and use those instead. Maybe the batters at Coors should bring personal freezers so they can harden their bats prior to stepping up to the plate? Perhaps they can put a roof on the stadium and pressurize the space so that it simulates being a couple miles below sea level.

Or perhaps they can stop ****ing with the game and let the players determine the flavor of the contests as opposed to the physical state of the ball.

[scottyy11]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

Why do I always assume everyone posting has an IQ above 100?

i'm sure the majority have no clue how these numbers are calculated which makes them silly to post, why not just post the raw data

Yes i'm sure your iq is off the chart to bad nobody has a clue wtf you are talking about

[clonecat]

I have no problem with it if they let every home team in baseball decide whether or not to use humidor balls and they re-allow the spitball.

[Mudcat]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

No, the jury is not out on the humidor. Coors Field, elevation 5,277 feet, is now a slight pitcher's park.

Sorry RickySteve, I thought you could read. I'll bold a few words for you.

Originally Posted by Mudcat

The jury is out on humidor balls.

[Willie Bee]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

Why do I always assume everyone posting has an IQ above 100?

Gee, I'll never understand how you lost your job at the State Department If only we could all be as perfect as you.

Please translate what park factor really means, Einstein.

Have you actually held one of these 'soggy balls' or done any experiments with them yourself? How much more do they weigh than a ball that is used in Baltimore, for example? How far do they travel in controlled experiments with other balls? Retards like me really want to be educated, so tell us what you know.