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    2012 NFL Mock Draft 1.0
    With all draft-eligible players declared, Mel kicks off draft season with his first mock
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    By Mel Kiper
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    With the intentions of all juniors and draft-eligible sophomores now officially declared (noted by *), it's finally time for a first look at how the 2012 NFL draft could play out. There will be a number of shifts over the next three-plus months as teams get to take a close look at prospects, physical skills are matched against the tape, measurements on height and weight are confirmed and medicals come in. A few notes:

    • My Big Board gives a glimpse at how I value players as prospects, but mock drafts also involve what teams and scouts are telling me regarding their assessments, and how needs align with value.
    • The position next to a player is where I see him lining up for that team. A college defensive end could easily shift to outside linebacker, and so on.
    • I can't reflect possible trades. For instance, I'll keep St. Louis at No. 2 even if speculation persists it could trade down.

    Lastly, a few positions could move as coin flips determine draft spots for teams that had the same record during the season. Plenty will change, but it's time to get draft season kicked off. Read the basis for the pick, and love it or hate it, as always, let me know.


    Indianapolis ColtsRecord: 2-14* Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
    We don't know yet who will be coaching the Colts in 2012 and we don't know who will be starting at quarterback, but I have a pretty good hunch Luck will be on the roster. I've said it before: He's the best quarterback prospect I've evaluated since John Elway, which also makes him a player who should be ready to start in Week 1 if the Colts do part ways with Peyton Manning. As a college player, Luck thinks and reads the game at an advanced level, can make adjustments on the fly and call plays and audibles at a remarkably high level for his age. He throws well moving left or right, keeps his eyes down the field and gets through progressions and into checkdowns extremely well. Nobody expects an easy transition for a rookie signal-caller, but Luck has the tools to make the transition easier than most.

    St. Louis RamsRecord: 2-14* Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
    There's a clear value question here, because I think St. Louis could leverage this position to trade down for more picks for 2012 and into the future, and then still target Blackmon perhaps a few spots later. But if the Rams can't find a dance partner for a trade, Blackmon still represents precisely what this offense needs. Sam Bradford took a step back in 2011, but he got little help, and Blackmon is a big target, a great route runner and a workaholic who could transition and learn the pro game quickly. St. Louis also could try to shore up an offensive line that took a step back, but Blackmon right now represents the top wide receiver in the draft and fills a big need for the Rams. It should be noted there are a number of teams drafting behind St. Louis that need an elite wide receiver.

    Minnesota VikingsRecord: 3-13* Matt Kalil, OT, USC
    The Vikings are another team with a young quarterback, and while they could use a target such as Blackmon in the offense, they also really need to shore up their protection. You see a lot of left tackles drafted and moved to the right side as they transition into the NFL -- Tyron Smith with Dallas last year is a recent case -- but Kalil has big-time talent and could start on the left side early. I don't think the comparisons to Jake Long are too far off. Athletic, with long arms, great feet and deceptive power given an athletic frame, Kalil also could land at No. 2.

    Cleveland BrownsRecord: 4-12* Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
    If a team moves ahead of the Browns for Griffin, they also could be in play for Blackmon, or even the guy I have at No. 5, Trent Richardson. However, the questions on Colt McCoy's ceiling as a starting NFL quarterback are getting louder, and if the Browns don't go after a solution such as Matt Flynn, a quarterback certainly could be in play here. Griffin made big strides this past season, particularly with his deep accuracy. He is a big-time athlete at the quarterback position but has developed a very good pocket presence and the ability to read the game, and his big arm comes with a nice touch on intermediate throws. He is a leader and has intangibles that should really impress evaluators during the draft process.

    Tampa Bay BuccaneersRecord: 5-11* Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
    Don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. For one, we know that if you want a potent running game in the NFL, it can't be built simply around one running back. The reality of injuries is too much of a constant to overlook. Secondly, are the Bucs ready to commit to a longer deal with Blount after the 2012 season? Bottom line, the idea can't be dismissed from a team-building standpoint, and that's before you get to what kind of a player Richardson is. A physical freak, he is extraordinarily powerful, explodes from contact, has lower mileage than many third-year studs because he split carries as a freshman and sophomore with Mark Ingram and has developed as a pass-catcher. Richardson is a first-year impact player.


    Washington RedskinsRecord: 5-11* Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
    While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year.

    Jacksonville JaguarsRecord: 5-11Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
    The Jags desperately need help at wide receiver, but they also really need help in the pass rush. They got to opposing quarterbacks less than two times a game in 2011, and Coples would fit the scheme as the current top 4-3 defensive end in the draft. Coples has great length at 6-foot-6, and while he has excellent skills as a pass-rusher, he also has the size to hold up in the run game. He doesn't quite have the athleticism of former North Carolina star Julius Peppers but should be able to upgrade the Jacksonville pass rush immediately, and guys with his size and skills aren't that easy to find.

    Carolina PanthersRecord: 6-10* Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
    Were they to line up Kirkpatrick across from Chris Gamble, the Panthers would have a pair of corners with elite size and talent in a divison in which you can't have enough good corners. Opponents completed a hair less than 65 percent of their passes against the weak Carolina secondary in 2011, and Kirkpatrick can provide an immediate upgrade. He has elite size for the position, at 6-foot-3 and nearly 200 pounds, but doesn't give much away in cover skills. Kirkpatrick has some off-the-field questions that could hurt his stock, but reserving judgement for now, he'd be a fit here.

    Miami DolphinsRecord: 6-10* Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
    The Dolphins made big improvments to the offensive line last year with their first-round pick, and Reiff would offer them an immediate starter and make the offensive line a big strength. Reiff's tape was exceptional this past season, and he has a lot of experience and a proven ability against top competition. The Dolphins were very close to being a good team in 2011, and I do think they can target a player on offense, although help at outside linebacker also makes sense. The Dolphins could be another team looking for options at quarterback, but even if they go into the season with Matt Moore back as starter, Reiff adds further stability to an offense that could continue to improve.

    Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
    Buffalo did well when it drafted Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus with its first pick last year, but the pass rush still needs a lot of help. Upshaw is currently the best 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft, and he should be able to apply a lot of pressure to opposing quarterbacks from the edge for whoever gets him for 2012. No Buffalo player had more than 5.5 sacks in 2011, and the Bills simply can't get enough pressure without bringing extra players. Upshaw is a part of the solution. This is a big-time talent, a player who already was making an impact at Alabama as a freshman. He'll follow a similar path as a pro.

    Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 7-9Devon Still, DT, Penn St.
    Romeo Crennel could use a disruptive interior line presence in his system, and Still can be a penetrator in the 3-4, capable of occupying blockers and making plays in against the run while also splitting gaps against the pass. He came on in 2011 at Penn State and should help this defense up front, as the Chiefs also get Eric Berry back in the secondary in 2012. With this kind of reinforcement, the Chiefs have a chance to become an upper-echelon defense going forward, something they showed glimpses of this past season.

    Seattle SeahawksRecord: 7-9Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
    The Seahawks have quietly made major strides in overhauling the roster and finding solutions to grow with in the past two years. Last year, they targeted offensive linemen early, and with the addition of Sidney Rice and Doug Baldwin, also have good talent at wide receiver. Even banged up at O-line, they ran the ball with some effectiveness. Obviously, quarterback remains a big question, but that's not something they can target at this spot in the draft. What they can do is add a final piece to a defense that is young, fast and extremely good in the secondary. The linebacking corps was strengthened by the emergence of K.J. Wright. So the work is up front and at defensive end for a team that was just 23rd in the NFL last year in sack percentage. Ingram is just big enough to fit this system as a 4-3 defensive end, and should add a boost to the pass rush early.

    Arizona CardinalsRecord: 8-8* Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
    The Cardinals need to mend the offensive line -- they haven't drafted an offensive lineman before the fifth round since 2007 -- and Martin is an athletic, powerful left tackle who can help upgrade this unit immediately. While questions remain about what the Cardinals have at the quarterback position after they committed so much both in terms of value and dollars to Kevin Kolb, there's no question they have to be better up front regardless of who takes the snaps. Again, that's a long time to go without getting some talent up front early in a draft. Martin would be a solid value here.

    Dallas CowboysRecord: 8-8* David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
    Last year, the Cowboys got Tyron Smith at No. 9 overall, and that pick helped them turn over the offensive line. The results were pretty good in 2011. With DeCastro, the Cowboys have a chance to solidify the interior of the line, helping both the running game and protection for Tony Romo and make that unit a strength. The way I see it, the Cowboys have good pieces in place at every other spot on the offense. The talent at wide receiver and tight end is fine, Romo was quietly among the top-performing quarterbacks and there's plenty at running back. Doubling down on the O-line should be an option for Jerry Jones. If the value is there, Dallas could also target the secondary.

    Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 8-8* Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
    The Eagles were really weak up the middle in 2011, and Kuechly is the top interior linebacker available in the draft. Since Brian Dawkins departed, safety has also been a perpetual question mark, so I could see that being considered here. But in Kuechly you get a player who can fill a massive void in the defense. He's a guy who can come in and start immediately; he's got exceptional instincts, is a very good athlete, demonstrates great form and can fly around making tackles in the middle of the field. He's just a machine. Last year, few teams were forced to utilize lesser talent at linebacker than Philly, and Kuechly can help fix that problem.

    New York JetsRecord: 8-8Mark Barron, S, Alabama
    Last year the Jets targeted help up front in the first round, and while the pass rush still needs some work, the secondary is a big concern because of the way the Jets' safeties got abused this year. You'd see teams lining up bigger receivers in the slot to target New York's smaller safeties and force Rex Ryan to make some tough decisions in coverage. In Barron, the Jets would get the best safety in the draft, a big, rangy talent with big-game experience and the ability to match up against taller receivers and tight ends. The Jets have schemed around a weakness at safety, but it's time to put a better talent back there.

    Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)Record: 8-8Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
    It says a lot about last year's draft that Cincinnati can put the focus back on defense with one of its first-round picks in 2012. Dennard is a solid, physical cover corner who would offer a talent upgrade in the secondary. The Bengals could go a few directions here, but after getting a decent year out of veteran Nate Clements, they should look at getting a younger player who can develop even as he helps early. Dennard fits the bill.

    San Diego ChargersRecord: 8-8Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia
    The Chargers fell apart up front this past season, mostly due to injury, and Glenn is one of those really attractive picks who can help you immediately because he can play pretty much everywhere. That's what he did during his time at Georgia, as a dominating guard who also has worked on the edge at a high level. Glenn is a safe pick, and the Chargers simply must do something up front to help Philip Rivers get comfortable again. He struggled in 2011, but his problems started up front.

    Chicago BearsRecord: 8-8Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
    If the Bears learned anything when Jay Cutler went down this season, it was that the offense wasn't very pretty without him. But Cutler also needs help. Last year, Chicago had to start up front because the offensive line was such a weakness. But as the Bears anticipate getting some healthy bodies back up front to start 2012, they now must find some help for Cutler at wide receiver. The current group has some speed, but he could use a big target, and Floyd can be that guy. He has a big frame, but Floyd actually dropped some weight for the 2011 season, and he managed to look quicker and more explosive in and out of his breaks without giving up much as a physical receiver. He'd be a nice option in this offense and a threat in the red zone.

    Tennessee TitansRecord: 9-7* Nick Perry, DE, USC
    He started as a freshman at Southern Cal, and it's because he is just a natural pass-rusher. This season, he added to his repertoire, and he can help a team early as a pass-rushing specialist in a 4-3 defense. Tennessee's pass rush was really bad this season; the Titans got to opposing quarterbacks on just 4.52 percent of drop-backs, a rate that was 31st in the NFL. Perry probably could add some bulk to his frame, but his instincts as a pass-rusher are in place and the Titans certainly need the help.

    Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 9-7* Lamar Miller, RB, Miami (Fla.)
    Cedric Benson has been serviceable for the Bengals, but they desperately need to add some explosiveness in the run game. Even with what I considered an underrated offensive line, the Bengals managed just 3.9 yards per rush attempt this season. With solutions now in place in the passing game, they are one of the teams that can afford to take a shot on a potentially elite running back in the first or second round. Miller can run inside but also break off the big run, something the Bengals never got with Benson.

    Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)Record: 4-12Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
    Quietly, Wright had a season that almost matched Blackmon's in the Big 12. The Browns might not end up with Griffin with the No. 4 pick, but his teammate would make a lot of sense here. Greg Little is a developing big target and had a pretty good rookie season given the overall performance of the Cleveland offense. Wright is smaller at about 5-10, 190 pounds, but could add a speed threat this offense really needs. He can beat teams over the top with straight-line speed but also works underneath and will do a lot of damage after the catch. The Browns need weapons, and Wright, who also has great hands, fits the profile.

    Detroit LionsRecord: 10-6Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
    Detroit again will go into the 2012 season with perhaps the best front four in the NFL. Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz calculated well that the secondary would make strides after being such a weakness in previous seasons. Where the Lions could use help is at linebacker, and Brown would be a good fit. Brown has great instincts as a rangy tackler, and he has a lot of speed and can run with tight ends. I certainly can see the Lions looking for help on the offensive line at this spot, but if a top tackle doesn't fall to them here, Brown makes sense.

    Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 12-4* Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
    Dick LeBeau can do a lot of things, but he can't scheme around age. The Steelers were very good on defense this season, but they simply have to get younger, particularly up front, if they want to maintain it. Poe has risen a lot for me in terms of value, but he's also a rarity, that zero-technique centerpiece to a 3-4 defense, the guy who simply eats up tacklers and is a human wall in the run game. If he develops, Poe can be the heir to Casey Hampton in the middle of that scheme, a human boulder who will free up those linebackers.

    Denver BroncosRecord: 8-8* Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
    Denver had some really good stretches on defense, particularly in the pass rush, but the Broncos weren't very consistent and the numbers were a little worse than people might realize. The pass rush is there on the outside, but Cox is a guy who can penetrate and get tackles for loss from the inside. The Broncos could go a few ways, including receiver if they see a value or perhaps corner. But the way the board falls here, Cox would be a good fit for a defense that better be elite as the offense attempts to find consistency.

    Houston TexansRecord: 10-6* Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
    When Andre Johnson was lost for a long stretch this season, it didn't totally derail the Houston offense. What it did do was severely hamper the Texans' play-action game, which can be simply devastating with the combination of a steady run game and the presence of Matt Schaub. In that scheme, the Texans can pile up chunk yardage with the pass, and Sanu is the type of guy who can stretch the field and be a huge threat across from Johnson. And when you consider that Johnson will be 31 entering the 2012 season, the Texans need this kind of presence around if he misses any more time. Sanu is hugely productive, creates space, has good speed and can contribute early.

    New England Patriots (from Saints)Record: 13-3* Michael Brockers, DL, LSU
    The Patriots have a pair of picks in the first round, and my guess is they'll look to get younger on the defensive line and work to add some pieces to a pass rush. That was something they really didn't address in last year's draft, but as creative and resourceful as they are, it might be time. Brockers could end up a lot higher than this when the evaluation process is over because his reputation is growing. I list him simply as a defensive lineman because the Pats could use him in a couple of different ways up front in that scheme. What he can do is add explosiveness on the interior -- he's a pentrator with the ability to dominate if left to a single blocker, which frees people up.

    Green Bay PackersRecord: 15-1Whitney Mercilus, LB, Illinois
    It was masked somewhat by reputation, but no team in the NFL had a lower sack rate than Green Bay during the regular season. And it was on display again in the playoffs -- the Packers simply can't create pressure without bringing blitzers, leaving the secondary vulnerable. Mercilus (pronounced "merciless") played to that description at Illinois this past season. I see him standing up as an outside linebacker after playing with his hand on the ground in college. At 6-4, 265 pounds, he has a good profile for the position, and he really knows how to get to the quarterback. The question on him is he really exploded this season, so the body of work is lighter than some, but the Packers need to find some pass-rush help and Mercilus is a good value here based on his current grade.

    New York GiantsRecord: 9-7Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
    The Giants have done a fantastic job of coaching up this offensive line after some big changes heading into the season, but they could get younger and add some talent, and Sanders would be a solid fit. This offense is going to be dynamic if it can open holes for the run game and provide time for Eli Manning, so an investment in the offensive line is never a bad idea.

    Baltimore RavensRecord: 12-4* Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona St.
    He's been drawing comparisons to Ray Lewis since he got to Tempe, and hopefully Lewis will be around for another year to mentor Burfict. But either way, the Ravens have to consider what they'll do, as retirement talk now is a reality for their legendary linebacker, and Burfict is the kind of player who could develop into a star in his own right in that defense. He is instinctive and rangy, and plays with an edge. He developed a bit of a reputation as a guy who was prone to the personal foul, but if he channels that energy, Burfict could be a very good one. He has a ton of experience as an immediate freshman starter and reads the game pretty well.

    San Francisco 49ersRecord: 13-3* Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
    The 49ers got much better production out of the offense this season, but I still see a need for a big target on the outside, something Braylon Edwards wasn't able to provide. Jeffery is an absolute beast, a guy who plays at more than 230 pounds and easily could top 6-foot-4 when he measures out. He goes up over corners and attacks the ball, catching it away from his body like a rebounder. The Niners struggled mightily in the red zone all season, and Jeffery might not be a burner but is the kind of player you can post up in the end zone to help solve that problem.

    New England PatriotsRecord: 13-3Andre Branch, LB, Clemson
    A defensive end at the college level, Branch would convert to outside linebacker and add some immediate help to the New England pass rush. He racked up 10.5 sacks this past season and has a 6-foot-5, 260-pound frame, a good physical fit for the transition. Branch also has the athleticism to be more than a pure pass-rusher, as he should be able to develop into a well-rounded OLB under Bill Belichick.



    Mel Kiper has been the premier name in NFL draft prospect evaluations for more than three decades. He started putting out his annual draft guides in 1978 and joined ESPN as an analyst in 1984. For more from Mel, check out his annual draft publications or his home page. He can also be found on Twitter here.

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    Looks like he knows it will be Pats/9ers SB

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    Philly better get something better than that linebacker from bc with their first rounder

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    im a draft nut ....college recruiting too...visit alot of draft sites year round like draftcountdown and draftblitz...countless others.....sometimes i even go back and look at the top 100/150 recruiting lists from years past to look and see what guys suprised and outplayed their rankings and which guys flamed out.....mel takes alot of heat...but hes pretty good at what he does....even if he doesnt hit his picks.....its not easy to....not an easy science....but his analysis is pretty sharp

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    Mels right about the jets safetys time to get some speed back there.... Painful watching them get worked last year. This isnt the 90s who the fukk has white dbs in the nfl anymore??? Upgrade that shit

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    and while i know the patriots could use some depth on the defensive line....and like always....people will say they need a pass rusher.....i still would prob be pretty pissed if they passed on a chance to grab alshon jeffrey....

    im not always the type of guy who needs "sexy" picks or "toys"....but the patriots desperately need a physical presence on the outside...a guy who can make you pay when you get have single man coverage on him.....

    i honestly think it could be the patriots downfall against the ravens....you beat welker up at the line...double gronk....get some heat on tom and force tom to make throws on the outside to branch....force him to have to get rid of the ball earlier than he wants.......branch is just too old and worn down from injuries....when you put a good corner on him he cant consistently beat him.....they need a guy on the outside who can make teams pay when they pay extra attention gronk and welker...i just dont know if branch is up to it to get it done consistently....im worried that the ravens(or a possible superbowl opponent) is going to sell out to shut down the main cogs in the offense and force a guy like branch to beat them

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    Quote Originally Posted by teaserpleaser View Post
    Mels right about the jets safetys time to get some speed back there.... Painful watching them get worked last year. This isnt the 90s who the fukk has white dbs in the nfl??

    Yeah Leonard and Smith were not getting it done. Hope the Jets get a playmaking safety.

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    Yeah, I just figured I would post some Espn Insider stuff since they banned me from commenting. I made a joke about Lebron James and TE Mod deleted it ... Then I told that I pay for ESPN insider so the mods work for me and he better not ever delete my stuff again ... Lol aparently.. They didn't agree!

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    drafting a receiver early is a wasted pick.

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    Kind of a weak draft other than QBs imo but who knows in the end? QB Tannehill from A&M looks pretty damn good to me and so does the A&M receiver Fuller. I hope the Colts trade up or find a playmaking WR with their 2nd rd pick to give Luck some help. Reggie Wayne will be gone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Handicapable View Post
    Kind of a weak draft other than QBs imo but who knows in the end? QB Tannehill from A&M looks pretty damn good to me and so does the A&M receiver Fuller. I hope the Colts trade up or find a playmaking WR with their 2nd rd pick to give Luck some help. Reggie Wayne will be gone!
    saw a mock that had the colts taking dwayne allen, the tight end from clemson, at the top of the 2nd

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    I dont know i think blackmon and jeffery are going to be big time for a long time. How you feel about wrs is how i feel about linebackers if your spending first rounders on a backer he better be special because you can pick one up with decent speed 2nd day. That kid from bc isnt special or a game changer nobody will fear him philly will be making a mistake with that one they should get a defensive run stuffer for that weak undersized d line

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    No way the Buccaneers draft Trent Richardson. They need players on defense or a big time, not big name, wide receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    No way the Buccaneers draft Trent Richardson. They need players on defense or a big time, not big name, wide receiver.
    will i do agree

    theyve spent two firsts and two 2nds in the last two years on defensive linemen....mccoy, price, clayborn, bowers.......thats alot of investment on that side of the ball....richardson is special imo

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    Way too early. Kiper is the same guy who worshipped Clausen and questioned Pats picking Gronk after missing season at AZ with injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Way too early. Kiper is the same guy who worshipped Clausen and questioned Pats picking Gronk after missing season at AZ with injury.

    Kiper also ripped the Colts for passing on Trent Dilfer. But I like Kiper- he makes the NFL draft entertaining. Forecasting to the next level is not an exact science- that's for sure.

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    clausen has never really been given a chance.

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    If the Rams take Blackmon I will actually buy DirectTV's package to watch him, lloyd and bradford play every sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Way too early. Kiper is the same guy who worshipped Clausen and questioned Pats picking Gronk after missing season at AZ with injury.
    mels never 100 percent correct...no one is...still..hes pretty good at what he does

    in defense of clausen....smith wasnt 100 percent...they were running lafell, armanti edwards, and a few other really green receivers out there with him....he was getting pressured left and right....he never really had a chance.....cam is special...and theyve tailored the offense to cam....they are two different animals.....i think clausen was still worth a shot where he was selected....

    i remember watching the draft the night they selected gronk at my buddies place....were diehard pats fans and we always watch the draft together...hes an educated football fan....he didnt like the pick...i was in love with it....he basically was soured on it because graham and watson never turned out to be real big difference makers for us.....and i told him thats because they were never featured and they didnt really make an effort to incorporate those guys enough into the offense and that they would with this kid...and when they grabbed hernandez the next day i texted him and said "watch out..these kids are going to change the passing game here"

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    Quote Originally Posted by antifoil View Post
    drafting a receiver early is a wasted pick.
    I wonder if Arizona (Fitzgerald #3) and Detroit (Calvin Johnson #2) agree with you.

    More first round draft picks: Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Reggie Wayne, Dez Bryant, Michael Crabtree, A.J. Green, Julio Jones

    These are wasted picks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    I wonder if Arizona (Fitzgerald #3) and Detroit (Calvin Johnson #2) agree with you.

    More first round draft picks: Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks, Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Reggie Wayne, Dez Bryant, Michael Crabtree, A.J. Green, Julio Jones

    These are wasted picks?
    dont forget that guy in houston while were at it

    ive always felt that coming into his nfl career most thought crabtree was going to be in that elite tier....and i always felt he was never going to come close...hes the most overrated in that group i think...i just think there was the perception that he was going to some huge differnce maker/star...i dont think he ever will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby heenan View Post
    dont forget that guy in houston while were at it

    ive always felt that coming into his nfl career most thought crabtree was going to be in that elite tier....and i always felt he was never going to come close...hes the most overrated in that group i think...i just think there was the perception that he was going to some huge differnce maker/star...i dont think he ever will be
    Yeah, I agree, and there's been plenty of WR busts, just like any position. Thing with WR is some years there are worthy players, some there are none. And even undrafted guys can turn out good. The tough part to project is when a good one didn't do a lot in college because he didn't have a good QB or offense around him to showcase.

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    yeah WRs are easy to come by.

    it is the easiest position to find a player. every year undrafted WRs break out.

    and with the rams. their defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what WR they get. they aren't going to be any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antifoil View Post
    yeah WRs are easy to come by.

    it is the easiest position to find a player. every year undrafted WRs break out.

    and with the rams. their defense is so bad that it doesn't matter what WR they get. they aren't going to be any good.
    I'll give you Victor Cruz. Wes Walker is an old story. Now name some other undrafted WR stars in the last few years.

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    Elite wrs arent easy to come up with #3 or slot guys sure but #1 wrs arent just out there in numbers blackmon can be a 1 jeffery can be a 1 or a damn good 2nd option.

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    miles austin

    not only that but you can wait until the second round or third round to fill that need and get way better value.

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    if we are talking about the rams.


    they need to leverage their pick anyway to the 3 or 4 teams that need robert griffin. they can get a bidding war going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Yeah, I agree, and there's been plenty of WR busts, just like any position. Thing with WR is some years there are worthy players, some there are none. And even undrafted guys can turn out good. The tough part to project is when a good one didn't do a lot in college because he didn't have a good QB or offense around him to showcase.
    agreed...that is something i think alot of scouts focus on when evaluating receivers....the qb play on their teams and the protection that qb received....i remember a few guys talking about how arrelious benn was a first round talent....but juice williams had regressed and it made benns stock take a bit of a hit

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    I'll give you Victor Cruz. Wes Walker is an old story. Now name some other undrafted WR stars in the last few years.
    Pierre Garcon was coming along pretty well til Manning went down but I agree overall. Colston is another one....think he was a TE @ Hofstra? The big thing is to find talent that is undervalued....some of it is hard to believe? A few examples I can think of....Greg Jennings & Jordy Nelson. Jennings broke MAC records and was a MONSTER and went 2nd round. Nelson was catching over 100 balls a years at K-State with deep speed too and fell to the 2nd rd as well.
    I don't watch film like an NFL decision maker but I could've told them both those guys were atleast mid-late 1st round talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsPedagogy View Post
    Yeah, I just figured I would post some Espn Insider stuff since they banned me from commenting. I made a joke about Lebron James and TE Mod deleted it ... Then I told that I pay for ESPN insider so the mods work for me and he better not ever delete my stuff again ... Lol aparently.. They didn't agree!
    you banned? I can't believe it you're such a nice guy

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    I think its the RBs that are a shaky 1st round selection in most cases. Too many Lawrence Maroney in the 1st round and too many guys like Arian Foster or Terrell Davis found late over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Way too early. Kiper is the same guy who worshipped Clausen and questioned Pats picking Gronk after missing season at AZ with injury.
    The same Mel Kiper that thought Andre Ware was going to be the second coming of Joe Montana, Mike Williams should have been the first pick in the 2005 draft, and when mocked by, you know, people unlike Kiper, who actually laced up a pair of cleats, told him Williams was too slow to play for pay on Sunday's, plus he has too much outside baggage, Mel shot back with "talk to me in Canton when he goes to the Hall of Fame"

    Williams failed in Detroit, feel asleep or came late to Martz's meetings, couldn't learn Martz's playbook...............

    The same Kiper that blew a gasket and made a fool out of himself when the Colts drafted Marshall Faulk over Trent Dilfer.

    Mel said Chris Speilman was a waste of a first day pick, and will never make it in the NFL.

    He laughed at the Bengals for taking Levi Jones at No. 10 when Philip Buchanon was still on the board.

    and on and on and on

    Mel is a windbag, never played the game, can't be reasoned with, he thinks his opinion is the only opinion

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