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    it gives you the best odds.....but if you really look at it, its designed to have you be up on 3 or 4 numbers and by the time you are up on 3 or 4 numbers you know whats coming.....7 away! obviously you can get lucky and go on a run.....but it does not happen often. I dealt craps 40 hours a week for 7 years.....the table pretty much never lost money.....a 40 minute roll would only happen like once a week....if that.

    once when I was dealing a stripper betting $5 a roll threw the dice for like 5 hours.....and it just happend that a ton of big betters were on the table.....well not big but like regulars betting 30 flat with 100 odds on 3 numbers. well by the time the roll ended they all had table max 10k a number. after like 2 hours the last 3 hours took like a half hour per roll. they had to fill the pumpkins every roll.....now I have only seen this once in 7 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extra Innings View Post
    The subject in that video was on "Breaking Vegas". Banned from most casinos due to dice control, wish I was joking.
    Quote Originally Posted by senseionline View Post
    one of my best friend is good crap player i never get into it but he telling me crap is beatable if u can control dice he even bought a real crap table to practice at home man is winning on crap lifetime
    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post

    so you believe there's no way of throwing dice that would result in, for example, the number 7 coming up one extra time per million?

    nobody can hit any number they want, but there are proven ways of setting dice that make certain subsets of numbers come up a little more often.

    why would they ban dice setters (golden touch, etc) from casinos if there was no way of affecting the roll in their favor?
    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    i've beaten the casinos last 2 trips for over 3k....dice control can be done as long as you set the dice right before you throw and that you throw at a 1-axis only
    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post

    and the best dice throwers have thousands of hours of practice.
    and they need to throw perfectly less than 90% of the time to beat the house edge, all you need to do is gain a 5% advantage.

    i think it's crazy to NOT believe that a skilled thrower can influence the roll to an extent that gives them a 5% advantage so we agree to disagree.
    Five posts of 30 with open minds. Mike I believe if you right just 1 or 2 times out of 100 rolls manipulating the dice you will have a edge over the casinos if you make the right bets.MR BIG

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyfk View Post

    Five posts of 30 with open minds.

    Open minds? How about open wallets w/money for the taken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    i play craps on a regular basis and always make $$$.
    No, no you don't.

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    http://www.dicecoach.com

    got all kinds of training videos and tips and shows what grips and what combinations to start with.

    interesting stuff

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    I pissed everyone off when throwing dice. Was in a casino in the Bahamas. Crystal palace casino. Threw the first set not long enough. Threw the second set off the table. Everyone called me a pussy and told me to go hit the slot machines. Never played again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    i play craps on a regular basis and always make $$$...i use SBR for sports betting toughguy
    I'll give you 2:1 odds for any amount you can put up front that you cannot win 10 sessions in a row.

    Sessions consist of at least 1 bet per come out/point with a minimum of 50 points played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    so you believe there's no way of throwing dice that would result in, for example, the number 7 coming up one extra time per million?

    nobody can hit any number they want, but there are proven ways of setting dice that make certain subsets of numbers come up a little more often.

    why would they ban dice setters (golden touch, etc) from casinos if there was no way of affecting the roll in their favor?
    And how exactly does a dice setter deal with the honeycomb back wall (that must be hit otherwise it's ruled a short/no roll) which sprays the dice in arbitrary angles/directions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie Mccracken View Post
    No, no you don't.
    post some winners then come holla at me small-timer

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    I'll give you 2:1 odds for any amount you can put up front that you cannot win 10 sessions in a row.

    Sessions consist of at least 1 bet per come out/point with a minimum of 50 points played.
    only suckers play come...i play pass line with max odds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    only suckers play come...i play pass line with max odds...
    Uhh. Come out != come.

    So you wanna make the wager then?

    I'm in Vegas. I'm certain that a "big timer" like you frequents this place regularly. Let me know when you're in town and you have a bet of up to $100k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Uhh. Come out != come.

    So you wanna make the wager then?

    I'm in Vegas. I'm certain that a "big timer" like you frequents this place regularly. Let me know when you're in town and you have a bet of up to $100k.
    you prob think a firebet is a good bet too huh? mathnerds have no place in gambling

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    You can certainly prove me wrong and win my ignorant money in the process.

    The choice is yours.

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    no you can't control the dice. You are gambling. Enjoy it and hopefully you get lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    You can certainly prove me wrong and win my ignorant money in the process.

    The choice is yours.
    how many times has a casino backed off your action??? if your in the know like ya say you are you would know if you make a good sum of $$$ in a short-time the casino will not allow further bets

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    Never. I'm just a math square.

    Prove me wrong. You could win up to $200k (and I promise I won't back you off of action).

    Easy money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Never. I'm just a math square.

    Prove me wrong. You could win up to $200k (and I promise I won't back you off of action).

    Easy money.
    well if SBR has another bash in LV ill be there... e-thug

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    Looking forward to it.

    Although, I'm a bit surprised that a California "big timer" doesn't make his way to Vegas more often than just for SBR bashes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyfk View Post
    Personally I love the 3V set and hate the hard way set for avoiding the seven. Its a great set for making inside numbers which are the 5 6 8 and 9. I recommend betting on the pass line, taking full odds and placing the 6 and 8 while using the 3V set. Avoid most bets at the craps the house edge is to great especially all bets in the middle of the layout. Come bets may also work using the 3V set. Also get rated. You may now have a slight edge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyfk View Post
    Five posts of 30 with open minds. Mike I believe if you right just 1 or 2 times out of 100 rolls manipulating the dice you will have a edge over the casinos if you make the right bets.MR BIG
    Did someone hijack Bobby's account? He did make a video posting passwords.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Looking forward to it.

    Although, I'm a bit surprised that a California "big timer" doesn't make his way to Vegas more often than just for SBR bashes...
    yup i live in cali...sad you cant afford it??? i'd hate life too if i had to live by the strat in the hood...see ya at the bash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVHerbie View Post
    Did someone hijack Bobby's account? He did make a video posting his password.......
    Mr. Big = Bobby's dad (I think?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    yup i live in cali...sad you cant afford it??? i'd hate life too if i had to live by the strat in the hood...see ya at the bash!
    Nope. Can't afford to live there. I can see the appeal of San Fran for a guy like you though. *wink*

    See you soon, buttercup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Nope. Can't afford to live there. I can see the appeal of San Fran for a guy like you though. *wink*

    See you soon, buttercup!
    yup i do love them fine asian women in SF...best city in the world!

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    Stanford Wong wrote a book on the subject but in a interview he gave on Bob Dancer's radio show recently he seemed to back off his previous view quite a bit basically saying that it would require both a strong gift towards doing it and lots of practice ("like a professional golfer consistently hitting a ball long and straight on a fairway")...

    Wizard of odds page on dice control...

    Personally I'm on very skeptical leaning towards a non-believer... i.e. I would happily take a few percentages of Monkeyfocker's action if someone actually takes him up on it...
    Last edited by LVHerbie; 01-19-12 at 01:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griz View Post
    I pissed everyone off when throwing dice. Was in a casino in the Bahamas. Crystal palace casino. Threw the first set not long enough. Threw the second set off the table. Everyone called me a pussy and told me to go hit the slot machines. Never played again.

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    I guess the History Channel is just making shit up....it's all right here boys

    http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/HistoryChannel.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extra Innings View Post
    I guess the History Channel is just making shit up....it's all right here boys

    http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/HistoryChannel.shtml
    How to profit at dice control:

    1. Write a book on how to theoretically throw controlled dice.
    2. Tell stories about how much you raped the casinos and get on a History Channel documentary because of it.
    3. Keep your day job.
    4. Sell overpriced books and training sessions off of your newfound fame.

    Pretty funny read from Harper's Bizarre. One of their reporters took the Golden Touch class and wrote about it.

    Tell me it doesn't sound like an absolute scam and I've got land under a bridge to sell you...

    http://www.mattathiasschwartz.com/the-golden-touch/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post

    How to profit at dice control:

    1. Write a book on how to theoretically throw controlled dice.
    2. Tell stories about how much you raped the casinos and get on a History Channel documentary because of it.
    3. Keep your day job.
    4. Sell overpriced books and training sessions off of your newfound fame.

    Pretty funny read from Harper's Bizarre. One of their reporters took the Golden Touch class and wrote about it.

    Tell me it doesn't sound like an absolute scam and I've got land under a bridge to sell you...

    http://www.mattathiasschwartz.com/the-golden-touch/
    Good article. Stop bringing facts and common sense to these arguments

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    How to profit at dice control:

    1. Write a book on how to theoretically throw controlled dice.
    2. Tell stories about how much you raped the casinos and get on a History Channel documentary because of it.
    3. Keep your day job.
    4. Sell overpriced books and training sessions off of your newfound fame.

    Pretty funny read from Harper's Bizarre. One of their reporters took the Golden Touch class and wrote about it.

    Tell me it doesn't sound like an absolute scam and I've got land under a bridge to sell you...

    http://www.mattathiasschwartz.com/the-golden-touch/
    The group sounds like circus carnies hawking rings to pitch around milk jugs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    only suckers play come...i play pass line with max odds...
    isnt the passline and the come the same thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    I'll give you 2:1 odds for any amount you can put up front that you cannot win 10 sessions in a row.

    Sessions consist of at least 1 bet per come out/point with a minimum of 50 points played.


    real fair wager you're offering there, chief. 2:1? llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceBRUCEbruce View Post


    real fair wager you're offering there, chief. 2:1? llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllol.
    I know. I'm in trouble. The guy NEVER loses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_Demo View Post
    i play craps on a regular basis and always make $$$...i use SBR for sports betting toughguy
    Martingale right? You can't lose with Martingale.
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    I dont play hard 6s....thats a sucker bet I play hard 8s!
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    You dice control guys forget about one thing...


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