[TheGambler]

I was just curious why we haven't seen other books try to model what Pinny has done over the last several years. You would think that someone else would see the great success Pinny is having with their -105 pricing and would try to replicate the same thing. Maybe there is a lot of up-front risk involved? Just curious if anyone had any ideas as to why we haven't seen more -105 books. Cascade is similar but still there is only one Pinny!!

[SBR_John]

I was just curious why we haven't seen other books try to model what Pinny has done over the last several years. You would think that someone else would see the great success Pinny is having with their -105 pricing and would try to replicate the same thing. Maybe there is a lot of up-front risk involved? Just curious if anyone had any ideas as to why we haven't seen more -105 books. Cascade is similar but still there is only one Pinny!!

You need to deal razor sharp lines OR for sure you are going to get killed dealing -105. Many HAVE indeed tried, and many have died. BetPanAM was the largest try at providing Pinnacle some competition and they failed. Hollywood tried and they could not make it work either.

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[Doug]

You need big backing, much more than Nojuice had. Mansion sort of competes with Pinny on some stuff.

No book has the combination low juice, high limits, options, early lines ,and reputation to equal Pinny.

Obviously they have good linesman. They will hire you if you beat them at something like XFL or Arena football, or anything else that they think you are better at than them.

They do many things well.

[JoshW]

Actually in football and basketball, several books do the -05. But only Pinnacle really does in pverall US market, what Pinnacle can.

[isetcap]

Pinnacle covers that niche about as well as it can be covered. People with brains generally concede that and try to target another niche that has softer competition. In reality, I think this industry has gotten to the point that unless a new product is innovative or extremely well-funded and managed it has no chance. That's the criteria on which I assess the viability of the new players on the scene.

[TheGambler]

I was under the impression that Pinny has computer software that automatically moves the lines for them to try and keep the money equal on both sides. Is that true? I just assumed they made their money the traditional way in that they try to get equal amounts on each side and still take the -105 juice. I know this doesn't work for most books now days but I thought with the volume Pinny gets, it might still indeed work.

[kiwi]

Don't forget Pointbet. I asian handicap soccer but also in US sport they have very good odds too. Not to mention other asian books like SBOBet which have even better soccer odds than Pointbet.

[stuckinvegas]

First of all, Pinny nor any other bookie wants the money to equal out. That's the second biggest lie besides I won't *** in your mouth. Books don't make money by taking the %. They make money by gambling and letting the suckers put in losing bets.

One thing I like about Pinny is that they take a position and stick with it. We saw it a few times during the playoffs last NFL season. Let's say for example, Dallas is a 5.5 point favorite when they open for betting. Now the line gets bet up to 7 but Pinny stays where they are. Obviously the sharps and others will take Dallas. But what usually happens is Dallas either loses outright or doesn't cover.

I think the Pinny drop down menu is the nutz. No fiddle fadding around to buy a half or other numbers...just popint and click and you've got your bet.

[Lucas]

I was under the impression that Pinny has computer software that automatically moves the lines for them to try and keep the money equal on both sides. Is that true? I just assumed they made their money the traditional way in that they try to get equal amounts on each side and still take the -105 juice. I know this doesn't work for most books now days but I thought with the volume Pinny gets, it might still indeed work.

I am sure that it is true... the assumption of software moves... Mr. Nobile has written something like that, but they do not "keep the money equal on both sides".... they move the line using sharp players and sharp players are players that are breaking their closing odds.

Edit: sorry I did not see stuckinvegas´s post..

[isetcap]

First of all, Pinny nor any other bookie wants the money to equal out. That's the second biggest lie besides I won't *** in your mouth. Books don't make money by taking the %. They make money by gambling and letting the suckers put in losing bets.

One thing I like about Pinny is that they take a position and stick with it. We saw it a few times during the playoffs last NFL season. Let's say for example, Dallas is a 5.5 point favorite when they open for betting. Now the line gets bet up to 7 but Pinny stays where they are. Obviously the sharps and others will take Dallas. But what usually happens is Dallas either loses outright or doesn't cover.

I think the Pinny drop down menu is the nutz. No fiddle fadding around to buy a half or other numbers...just popint and click and you've got your bet.

This is one of the best posts ever.