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    Default What do you make of Bookmaker's Saints -3, -135?

    All week they've just sat there at 3 with huge juice while every other book (or most) had long since gone to 3.5.

    What is this about and what do you think it tells us? I get nervous as a Saints leaner when I see this. Like they feel confident it's the Niners and they just want to rob everyone blind.

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    bookmaker has no weight. Pinny is the leader.
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    You worry too much capy

    Only people playing that line should be on sf

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    You worry too much capy

    Only people playing that line should be on sf
    Exactly...juice is too high if going with the Saints.

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    They want more $ on San Fran.. Saints are the play

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewcrew2k View Post
    They want more $ on San Fran.. Saints are the play
    Exactly. I see them trying to lure more San Fran money. Why are you worried?
    Basically they are telling you if you're going to play the saints, they ain't going to pay you Sh!t.
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    with a line like that bigday they're not trying to lure saints money they're trying to lure san fran money +3 +115

    big money isn't going to lay -135 when they could buy the half point elsewhere and go -3 -125

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    SportsInsights has 64% on the Saints. SBRodds (5Dimes bets, I think) has action more evenly split: overall a bit more on the Saints w/ a slight majority of today's action going on the 49ers.

    Not knowing Bookmaker I'd assume their action is similar to what SInsights suggests and guess that they could get more even action if they moved it to 3.5 but they're happy to grab those Saints bets. IMO looks like they think SF is going to come through, FWIW.

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    Most shops are -4 -105 for the saints. So IMO they want you to take -3 with juice even though you don't need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    with a line like that bigday they're not trying to lure saints money they're trying to lure san fran money +3 +115

    big money isn't going to lay -135 when they could buy the half point elsewhere and go -3 -125

    I'm sorry. That's what I ment. They want more on SF. I typoed up there.

    Regardless I'm on saints

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewcrew2k View Post
    Most shops are -4 -105 for the saints. So IMO they want you to take -3 with juice even though you don't need it.
    5dimes, no
    thegreek, no
    Pinnacle, no
    Bookmaker, no

    I could go on but "most" shops are not -4 or even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjy View Post
    SportsInsights has 64% on the Saints. SBRodds (5Dimes bets, I think) has action more evenly split: overall a bit more on the Saints w/ a slight majority of today's action going on the 49ers.

    Not knowing Bookmaker I'd assume their action is similar to what SInsights suggests and guess that they could get more even action if they moved it to 3.5 but they're happy to grab those Saints bets. IMO looks like they think SF is going to come through, FWIW.

    Correct. This line should attract SF. Why in the fukk would someone want to pay that juice for -3??? Or am I just seeing something completely different? I would hate to pay -135 for a wager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjy View Post
    SportsInsights has 64% on the Saints. SBRodds (5Dimes bets, I think) has action more evenly split: overall a bit more on the Saints w/ a slight majority of today's action going on the 49ers.

    Not knowing Bookmaker I'd assume their action is similar to what SInsights suggests and guess that they could get more even action if they moved it to 3.5 but they're happy to grab those Saints bets. IMO looks like they think SF is going to come through, FWIW.
    Yes, this is what I'm saying... they want the Saints players who like the more attractive line and don't mind the huge juice... they obviously believe it's gonna be San Fran and then they just made a bundle.

    In any event, that's where my money is right now, and there's no option to add the hook (except for crazy alt lines). But I still haven't finalized my play(s) anyway. If I do end up confirming Saints, I'd rather have paid a regular juice and given the 3.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    with a line like that bigday they're not trying to lure saints money they're trying to lure san fran money +3 +115

    big money isn't going to lay -135 when they could buy the half point elsewhere and go -3 -125

    Bookmaker is -3 -130
    Pinnacle is -3 -124
    5dimes is -3 -130

    Booksmaker always leans like this on the square popular play. The line is the same at other places they just choose to show -3.5 (+105) instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDAY View Post
    Correct. This line should attract SF. Why in the fukk would someone want to pay that juice for -3??? Or am I just seeing something completely different? I would hate to pay -135 for a wager.
    Good luck finding a -3 -105

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    You guys don't get it. That's not an attractive line. At least for big money. They will end up middle themselves with this line. And it's great for the book because when Saints cover they don't have to pay squat.

    Can anyone see this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    Good luck finding a -3 -105

    My point is to take it at -3.5 you idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGDAY View Post
    My point is to take it at -3.5 you idiot.
    is -3.5 (+108) not begging for Saints money now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    is -3.5 (+108) not begging for Saints money now?
    I know, dug myself into a nice little hole huh? Most of the public will pay that crazy juice. . And If saints cover, books imo will love the fact they took -135 for that cover.

    GL

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    Man it's too early in the day to argue.

    I just put bailys in my coffee to settle me down. Going to be a long day/night!

    I gotta long day ending in a UFC event!

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    Fukk, this thread has confused me more than ever. Think I'm gonna go back to analyzing the fukkin game and not try and get in the heads of all the supposed sharps behind the line-setting at these books! Fukk those a-holes anyway, I am going to continue capping this shit and accurately predict the outcome of this game and take their fukkin' money!!! Who's with me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capybara View Post
    Fukk, this thread has confused me more than ever. Think I'm gonna go back to analyzing the fukkin game and not try and get in the heads of all the supposed sharps behind the line-setting at these books! Fukk those a-holes anyway, I am going to continue capping this shit and accurately predict the outcome of this game and take their fukkin' money!!! Who's with me??

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    i'm with you capy

    my guess though is that bookmaker wants more 49ers action at +3 +115. they probably have a bunch of public schmucks happy to take the -3 -135 and some big sharps on the other side taking 49ers +3 +115.

    no big player is taking the saints at -3 -135 when they could buy it to -3 -125 or -130 somewhere else. to joe public an extra 05 doesn't matter much but to a sharp/shark/whale/scalper/bonus whore/etc it's everything

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    bigday i'm in for a long day too

    son's basketball game, then straight to the marquette/pitt game, then back home for nfl playoffs/ufc/etc

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    Two ways to interpret this But I see it as the majority being on the Saints and therefore they are trying to rape people with the juice. They are trying to balance the big money that is on the 49ers by bleeding the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    bigday i'm in for a long day too

    son's basketball game, then straight to the marquette/pitt game, then back home for nfl playoffs/ufc/etc
    It's a thing of beauty.

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    Mike, I just want to get inside your avatar pic and spend all day in the sack with Avril Lavigne. We don't even need the playoff games on, I'd miss 'em all in a heartbeat for that. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd empty my Bookmaker account for that. Young women = my Achilles heel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capybara View Post
    Mike, I just want to get inside your avatar pic and spend all day in the sack with Avril Lavigne. We don't even need the playoff games on, I'd miss 'em all in a heartbeat for that. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd empty my Bookmaker account for that. Young women = my Achilles heel.
    that makes 2 of us capy (you sick bastard)

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    That line is certainly not trying to attract saints money. Op is thinking too much.

    Saints are the play....just not at that book.
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    -3 -120, what do you think now?
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    If the line was -3.5 -110 then most books would take it to -130 to buy that half point anyway.

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    -3 -121 at pinny when buying half point. still think they want big money on sf?

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    I would be more worried about Alex Smith if you place money on the 49ers, not a spread.

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    Fukk it Capers......Ya either like 9ers +3.5 or Saints - 3.5!!!!!!!!OR you dont play it at all....I'm gonna toss a lil $ on 9ers m/l and hope for good outcome!!!!

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    Bookmaker has the highest or one of the highest limits right?

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